How tf can killing a single person with a handgun be classified as terrorism?
this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2024
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Because the ruling class is terrified
Because they don't like him.
I mean Dylan fucking Roof shot dead 9 black people and they didn't consider it terrorism.
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"They're making us CEO's afraid, terrified even, so he's clearly a terrorist. The implication that the working class could actually fight back against the systemic oppression we inflict on them? That's horrifying. We can't allow them to believe they could ever fight back. Make an example of this person."
The rich assholes or something
Crimes against the ruling class are more harshly punished than crimes against the plebs.
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So this is terrorism but they refuse to give terrorism charges to local militias?
They also don't charge people who blow up abortion clinics with terrorism either. They haven't since the 60s - 70s.
If you look it up the courts have been petitioned several times to associate abortion clinic bombings with Christian terrorism but they keep refusing to call it what it is.
After reading about that fiasco I have very little faith our government actually has a working definition of terrorism that doesn't shift at their convenience.
Hardly shocking that the christofascist courts of America refuse to classify abortion clinic bombings as domestic terrorism.
Local militias are perfectly acceptable as per the second amendment, as long as they're "well regulated", whatever that means...
it means that it needs to be an actual maintained organization, not Jim bob and his buddies threatening anybody they don't like. it's also not a requirement, it's only the reasoning provided.
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The dead guy was the terrorist.
Was he actually Italian though? As in, speaking Italian, having an Italian passport etc.? Y'all Americans have weird definitions of nationality, just having a foreign sounding last name isn't really enough...
When someone from America says they Italian or whatever they aren't talking about nationality, it's about ancestry, where your family came from not what county you were born in
No no no no........it's about what kind of food your mom cooked when you were a kid.
Which makes me.......uhhhhhh........clown? I don't know. She bought a lot of McDonalds.
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Dude's name is Luigi and his last name sounds like a pizza restaurant. That settles it for me, thank you very much.
You joke, but that kind of prejudice is pretty hurtful in day to day life
It's important to remember that the Italians and the Irish were treated as a low rung of American society not all that long ago.
They are legitimate victims of the brunt of American hate.
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Is it though? You would be hurt if someone thought you were Italian? You must think pretty poorly of them lol
In America since we came here and took the land from the natives we just assume everyone's family came from somewhere else at some point in recent history. A lot of families are very proud of their ancestry and talk about it a lot.
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According to Italian law if you have Italian ancestry, you're Italian. There's a whole process (with many asterisks and exceptions) in which you can apply to get your Italian passport
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"I learned it from watching you, ok?!?!?"
Let’s hope the jury disagrees
They charged him with terrorism so a regular jury won't get to make that decision. It will be a federal grand jury of selected stooges, and maybe even a secret court.
A federal grand jury isn't a replacement for a regular federal trial jury. They're completely different things. A grand jury decides if there is a strong enough case to take the charges to trial, or if they should just be dismissed. When a grand jury isn't used, the trial judge makes that determination themselves. I agree that the terrorism charge will affect how the trial is conducted, but I don't know enough on that topic to comment further.
That's true but the way that a federal jury works is very different.
It allows them to choose people from outside of the area in which the crime occurred.
Making it a federal trial jury instead of a state trial jury allows them to charge this single murder against an individual perpetrated by another individual who made no public statement with a much more severe crime than the state laws that he broke would normally allow.
It's also important to note that making it a federal trial makes it less public as there will be no cameras allowed. They don't want him tried in the state of New York because that could legally be televised which is a bad look when you've already got judicial homicide lined up and the trial is purely performative.
Being that they can choose people from all over and that the process of jury selection is even more opaque at the federal level they can make sure there won't be any nullification issues.
The way they are treating Luigi whether or not he's guilty indicates that it's not relevant whether or not he's guilty. They legitimately don't care, this is about sending a message that the poors don't get to fight back.
Oh. So that was their play.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
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the definition of terrorism from the FBI is very... vague
Here's an exerpt from the declaration of Independence :3
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”We are all domestic terrorists…”
-CPAC (Republicans) 2022
CEO's: Second degree murder is the highest you can charge him with for killing a CEO in NY? But we want to torture him and make an example of him so the proles don't get uppity!
DA: No problem sirs, we can make that happen.
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See, his mistake was not killing him during a Career Day at an elementary school. If he took out kids as well, he wouldn't get a terrorism charge.
Dark humor is like food, not everyone gets it.
I don't feel terrorized. Wonder who does
Ruthless CEOs and other greedy, rich scumbags, of course.
From what the manifesto found on him allegedly said, it sounds like his actions were politically motivated. And violence in pursuit of a political goal is kinda the definition of terrorism.
George Washington used violence to advance his political agenda of a sovereign USA. Was George a terrorist?
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Is there any chance that the terrorism charge is so ridiculous that it actually strengthens Luigi's case and makes his defense better?
Yes because it specifically allows examining his motive from a political angle which allows the defense to question the character of the guy he shot, which increases the chance of nullification.
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