What war is China supposedly involved in?
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Finally, a sane take
It is not either or, folks. Both are bad for similar and different ways!
I'm going to go on my grad account just to downvote this trash
This meme sucks.
Thanks
¿Porque no los dos?
The worst accusation you could make about China's alleged warcrimes are how neutral they are in regards to Israel. They also sell guns to both sides of the Kashmir conflict, which isn't great. They have sold guns to Israel in the past as commerce, but that's a far cry from the west simply giving Israel weapons and intelligence for free.
Whereas the USA invades a new country on average every 1.5 years and has over 800 overseas military bases. China hasn't had an active overseas military conflict since the Vietnam war. This isn't a comparison at all.
One of the most frustrating things that I see so commonly, is that when there is criticism of the Chinese government, it is almost always redirected into whataboutism about the US.
I'm not from the US or China. My views are that both these governments are terrible, though I admittedly am not very informed about China. But these kinds of non-responses do not help.
Edit: I do realise that this meme itself sort of sets up the comparison, but I just wish we could analyse the actions of each government independently, without making excuses for one by pointing fingers at the other.
"I'm not informed, but they're terrible!" Is a pretty arrogant take.
I'm sorry, is it discouraged to be self aware? It is very common to have preconceived ideas about things based on media/whatever, however I am trying to be self aware enough to realise that this view isn't based on very much research, which is why I'm trying to re-evaluate it.
Surely it is far more arrogant to assume I have no ill-informed views, and that I have never been affected by misinformation.
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I think calling situation in Xinjiang as a war crime was sloppy...
Should said genocide and the meme stands
I didn't know there were people still seriously trying to sell the "Uyghur genocide" propaganda nonsense. Mainstream media gave up on it years ago, and Israel showing what genocide actually looks like mostly put the last nail in the casket for all but the most committed sinophobes.
Israel are showing us what genocide actually looks like
There's levels of genocide - Uyghur is definitely one, Israel on Palestine is one, so was US on First Nations, then you've got the ones previously in the Balkans, Rwanda and the Caucasus which make all of those look like child's play
If it is definitely one, you might be able to post incontrovertible evidence of it, and not just an ASPI report linking to Adrian Zenz or a satellite photo of a building they pinky swear is a death camp?
incontrovertible
The issue is, genocide deniers are very keen to dispute any readily available facts - Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, etc deniers, along with flat earthers and other far-fetched conspiracy believers are willing to reject swathes of evidence and released documents that show intent and execution; I could link you interviews with Uyghurs saying they were forceably steralised or reeducayed from respected sources (and am happy to) but it seems like you've already made your mind up so will just be selectively blind when reading them
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Hasn't China also sold drones to Indonesia for use in West Papua? I think that might've stopped, though, but I'm not sure.
Hard to commit warcrimes when you don't participate in war.
Uyghur genocide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiEhITvJuyE
You can watch this and look for any evidence of your claim. You wont see any. Or you can take my word for it when i tell you i literally spoke to a uyghur from Xinjiang on XHS the other day and they were chillin enjoying life.
Either way maybe dont just take the word of whatever Western Media mouthpieces tell you?
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? The UN says their is no Uyghur genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Rights_Office_report_on_Xinjiang, and I trust their investigation alot more than those from countries like the US that have a vested interest in painting China as negatively as possible
Even if the propaganda we're true it would constitute a crime against humanity not a war crime, unless you count the ETIM terror campaign a 'war'
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Yeah, not really comparable when it comes to war crimes. If someone wanted to conflate a topic that makes both countries look similarly bad in an honest light, it would be the treatment of ethnic minorities.
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Yeah like wtf is this lmao, apparently "war crime" is now when bad country does bad thing
Well Americans are certainly telling Chinese users that their government is committing warcrimes like the meme says
Genocide?
palestine?
No bro, the real genocide, the one that doesn't have a single piece of photographic or video evidence, where no probes have found any evidence, and where the allegedly victimized population has seen their standards of living rise enormously and the previously ubiquitous violence has all but stopped.
If the palestine genocide were a real one surely Blinken would have condemned it like he did the one they ~~fabricated~~ saw in Xinjiang.
Yeah, that is indeed one of the grab bag of accusations that Americans are hurling.
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Which country allows their citizens to openly speak about and protest said war crimes?
Andrew Wimmer was handcuffed and taken to jail on January 22, 2003 because he refused to protest in a ""designated protest zone"" that was out of sight of the President as well as local and national TV news cameras.
A woman, armed with a ""We Love You Bush"" sign showed up at the same corner shortly after Wimmer's arrest. Wimmer asked the police if they were going to arrest her if she didn't move and they said, ""no."" The police also allegedly blocked the national press camera crews and an AP reporter from approaching the protest zone to do reporting.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/dissent-forced-be-out-sight-and-out-mind
That's a far cry from how china suppresses protests. And really a small individual example. Overall there's a clear freedom of expression and civil protest in the US. The same absolutely cannot be said about china.
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Well the US doesn't. China is hard to say because it's not constantly at war
Like, the Netherlands or something maybe?
And the top comment on that video is defending the police, fascism has it’s hold in many places
The removed of fascism is always in heat
lol .ml censoring your word here is super apropos
"Fascism is when you have to infer a word from context to avoid being called slurs" (Albert Fascism, creator of the .ml TLD
Dang Albert fascism and his choice selection of english
Thanks for posting, didn't know about that!
To be fair I mainly wanted to jokingly tell the commentator that both china and the us are guilty of this, so I just mentioned a third country that I thought was decent. Thanks for educating :)
Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn't matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.
Facts right...
I would posit you can say anything but the truth that hurts profits or US interests otherwise...
Like calling out Israel 🤡
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