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The worst accusation you could make about China's alleged warcrimes are how neutral they are in regards to Israel. They also sell guns to both sides of the Kashmir conflict, which isn't great. They have sold guns to Israel in the past as commerce, but that's a far cry from the west simply giving Israel weapons and intelligence for free.
Whereas the USA invades a new country on average every 1.5 years and has over 800 overseas military bases. China hasn't had an active overseas military conflict since the Vietnam war. This isn't a comparison at all.
One of the most frustrating things that I see so commonly, is that when there is criticism of the Chinese government, it is almost always redirected into whataboutism about the US.
I'm not from the US or China. My views are that both these governments are terrible, though I admittedly am not very informed about China. But these kinds of non-responses do not help.
Edit: I do realise that this meme itself sort of sets up the comparison, but I just wish we could analyse the actions of each government independently, without making excuses for one by pointing fingers at the other.
Rofl. Lmao even
Please don't tell me that you're from Australia 😂
"I'm not informed, but they're terrible!" Is a pretty arrogant take.
It will get funny when the "im not american" @aussie.zone user turns out to be Australian.
I'm sorry, is it discouraged to be self aware? It is very common to have preconceived ideas about things based on media/whatever, however I am trying to be self aware enough to realise that this view isn't based on very much research, which is why I'm trying to re-evaluate it.
Surely it is far more arrogant to assume I have no ill-informed views, and that I have never been affected by misinformation.
You're arguing with tankies. You are attacking China in their eyes. You are fighting a losing battle because you cannot convince them China has major faults and blemishes and systemic issues like the US.
I don't think that's a useful framing. The central thesis of most "tankies" is that the version of the PRC that exists in the minds of Westerners and the version that exists in reality are fundamentally different, and that this is largely due to a concerted effort by western countries to depict China in a negative light exclusively. That does not mean that there aren't serious problems with the PRC, or that it doesn't have a long way to go, but admitting to having a negative stance without doing much investigation means that they should investigate, rather than contribute to a miasma of other ill-informed takes.
I think calling situation in Xinjiang as a war crime was sloppy...
Should said genocide and the meme stands
there are like a billion youtube videos of people traveling in Xinjiang and finding nothing wrong.
I didn't know there were people still seriously trying to sell the "Uyghur genocide" propaganda nonsense. Mainstream media gave up on it years ago, and Israel showing what genocide actually looks like mostly put the last nail in the casket for all but the most committed sinophobes.
There's levels of genocide - Uyghur is definitely one, Israel on Palestine is one, so was US on First Nations, then you've got the ones previously in the Balkans, Rwanda and the Caucasus which make all of those look like child's play
If it is definitely one, you might be able to post incontrovertible evidence of it, and not just an ASPI report linking to Adrian Zenz or a satellite photo of a building they pinky swear is a death camp?
adrian zenz blurry satellite photos of random buildings have more weight than tourists filming their experiences in Xinjiang for these dummies.
China has paid a hundred trillion xibucks for thousands upon thousands of travel bloggers to film life around Xinjiang, plus hundreds of thousands of paid actors (in the enormous autonomous region where a genocide is taking place at the same time).
I can't believe you sheeple can't see the obvious truth.
The issue is, genocide deniers are very keen to dispute any readily available facts - Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, etc deniers, along with flat earthers and other far-fetched conspiracy believers are willing to reject swathes of evidence and released documents that show intent and execution; I could link you interviews with Uyghurs saying they were forceably steralised or reeducayed from respected sources (and am happy to) but it seems like you've already made your mind up so will just be selectively blind when reading them
A simple "no" would have sufficed.
Thanks for proving my point that you reject even being offered evidence because you don't want to see something that challenges your worldview.
I could've spent time compiling a list, but you'd either ignore it or say it's a biased source because it's non-chinese or something.
Compile me a list that doesn't include Adrian zenz as a source.
I asked for evidence and you went into a rant with excuses for why you won't provide it lmao.
Stop grandstanding about the moral stand you're taking by believing blood libel about the yellow peril without the slightest resistance and no burden of proof.
Hasn't China also sold drones to Indonesia for use in West Papua? I think that might've stopped, though, but I'm not sure.