No Bernie let them fight. "Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself."
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Oh he's absolutely letting them fight, he's just stoking them up more playing into the big issue splitting the republican party in two.
Yes it’s perfect.
It's more like throwing a pork chop into the middle of a dog fight and running away lol
I'm worried this gives them a common enemy.
As much as I hate to say it, it gives them a powerful enemy.
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To me it feels like he threw a sealed gas can into a fire
Bernie always was MAGA but not for the slogan but actually to improve people's lives.
Well take away the "again" because America never had what he wants.
We did have a 90% tax bracket... and Roe v. Wade, and Presidents who were presumably accountable to the justice system, and elections that people generally accepted the outcome, and much less toxic disconnect between political parties, and media that wasn't all owned by a handful of billionaires, and we had the Fairness Doctrine, and Citizens United.
So yah getting back to that basic level of functionality would be nice actually.
Whenever I think of "MAGA" I think of the strong middle class that characterized post-war America and wonder wtf these people are actually doing.
I hear you, but that strong post-war middle class was overwhelmingly white due to our racist systems. As much as I like the things you've mentioned, we need to stop looking at our past and look at the future.
Those programs, while imperfectly implemented, also showed that they really did improve the lives of the people who were able to gain the advantages of them. We need to look to what those programs did well and fix and rework what those programs did poorly.
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Strong disagree. Keep them riled up. Make sure musk isn't able to distract them.
I generally agree with you but I think there's an exception to every rule, I mean, he just dumped gas on the MAGA dumpster fire. What's wrong with that?
Also, love me some barqs my dude.
I think the expression is "Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake."
I don't know man I think now would be the perfect time for aoc to take the opposite side of bernie and then both sides of musk vs maga can point and say they are working with the dems
He took off the mitts to throw fucking hands!
smarter choice to attack elon, trump wont be with us that much longer in the grand scheme of things. good chance he passes in office. one way or another
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Elon credits this for his success? As in he successfully got one after being here illegally?
I read it as him saying Tesla, SpaceX, etc. couldn't have succeeded without H1-B visa workers.
That's pretty obvious to anyone who has to work with H1Bs. They are far from technical experts, but they know enough in their one very limited breadth of knowledge that they can do certain things quickly and for extremely cheap.
Then they use the far more expensive FTE engineers to fix things obviously outside their scope of expertise. This is the part that is still "too" expensive for Musk. The "bet" is that with a sufficient number of H1-Bs you can have enough to have each one contribute their limited expertise and interface with the work of another H1-B.
The optimization, if my numbers are right - is that you should need 2-3 H1-Bs to replace a single more entry-level FTE engineer. 3-5 H1-Bs could replace a Senior Software Engineer in some cases.
The goal is to get these H1-Bs here, basically get them to do grunt work, and give them education materials to shore up what they lack. In a free market, this would make them far more valuable, but the H1-Bs are locked into their price point. Dissenters get blacklisted and deported.
Interesting perspective, but also a little derogatory or at a minimum...overly prescriptive about the folks coming here on those visas?
I've known multiple PhDs here on H1-B as well, and while the exploitative nature of their living status depending on their employment is always there and a problem, and I'm sure they were underpaid compared against a US citizen equivalent - the pay was nowhere near the fractions you're describing, and several of them were far more knowledgeable about their areas of study than any citizens I met at the company.
One of them probably has top-100 understanding of his field globally, if I were to guesstimate. Let's not portray all H1-B recipients as fundamentally less qualified than Americans. Not only is it overly reductive, our increasingly poor educational performance compared against e.g. China and India are starting to reverse that idea in a lotta cases, too.
Edit to add: I should say I also met one who was a fraud at best and a spy at worst. Totally clueless about his supposed "field". I understand some parts of the world have issues with corruption and buying of degrees, but I know little about it.
You aren't wrong on that part. That's what the H1-B program is designed for. In practice, corporations have exploited the intent of it and instead used it to select very narrowly trained software developers, it workers, and technicians instead of Ph. ds, inventors of specific techniques, or experts with rare and niche technology.
Out of 30 or so I have worked with, I have only worked with one true expert. He was an optics dude who knew specific techniques for using TI DLP to create 3 dimensional images on a transparent plane (I think it was just acrylic). In what I could observe, it was not obvious that he was being exploited, and if I remember right, he was compensated to the limits of the visa, and only brought back on his terms.
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There are H1Bs of every level, even experts in their field. You clearly don't work in tech and just regurgitate what you see others write
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Put a hold on that popcorn. It's not a civil war. Elon and Trump are in agreement. What's happening is some MAGA supporters are going through the five stages of grief. They seem to be somewhere around anger and bargaining. Trump conned his supporters like he conned his employees before them. Now Trump supporters are working their way to accepting Trump was always going to enrich himself and billionaires at their expense.
Now would be a good time to start pulling people away from MAGA. People need an alternative. Taking the wealth of billionaires as well as the source of their wealth would be a good start. Not to mention systemic change to our government's institutions.
Now would be a good time to start pulling people away from MAGA.
I don't know a single maga who has the slightest chance at being turned. All the magas in my life are just people who I know are either 1) Willfully ignorant or 2) Hateful.
What I'm pulling them away from is any relationship with me and my family.
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He should. They're a few facts away from him being their actual representative candidate.
So now Bernie sanders is pulling a "they're taking our jobs"? We are living in strange times.
He's been consistent on these issues for a while. "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal."
Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.
He's against 85k americans getting fired, and being replaced by LESS immigrants.
“The cheaper the labor they hire, the more money the billionaires make,” Sanders added.
So now Bernie sanders is pulling a "they're taking our jobs"?
Honestly can't tell if serious
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Aren't these separate issues? I won't pretend to know much about this, but it does seem like some companies are taking advantage of H-1B employees.
That’s the point Bernie is making, American companies are firing American workers to hire H-1B at much lower wages.
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