YDI man. I'm normally Johnny on the spot for all kinds of Biden Gaza argumentation but this is different.

Imagine if your mom just died. Imagine if Trump did it, maybe it was during the fucked up Covid response and he deliberately broke up your public health office and seized all the masks and she couldn't get what she needed, and now she's gone, gone forever.

Now imagine someone in a MAGA hat is trying to talk to you about how Covid is fake, and won't shut up about it. How much do you want to debate them about it? Would you welcome them into your space so they can do their thing?

That's what you're doing, going to a Palestinian community and shooting off about how fucked they are now, under Trump, "whooooo boy." I actually agree with the point you're making here, factually. And the inclusion of Biden in the original post was unnecessary, and this poster sure does a lot of that. But you can't come into someone's community that is directly dealing with such a sensitive topic and start shooting from the hip about US politics and how important it is, being careless and mean about it, even if they started it by talking about Biden.

I've had friends from near that part of the world. They don't give a shit who's president. They don't want to hear about someone in US politics who did something good. The US is a source of sanctions and drone strikes and unlimited weapons for Nazis, and that's pretty much it. Someone who's in charge of the US is their enemy. That's all. We're the Empire from Star Wars, and we keep blowing up Alderaan. New emperor? Okay, whatever. How good is this one going to be? You must be joking to ask that question.

My feeling on Biden-hating Palestinians changed during the "uncommitted" time and how it extended past the primary. I thought that was pretty short-sighted, for reasons that will be obvious to you, and then I saw a picture of an event and saw Rashida Tlaib and the look on her face during the event. Just the expression was enough. Okay, I got it, you have rights to do what you're doing, lady. I don't agree with you, I'm not joining up with you, but I won't try to tell you you're wrong when all you're doing is fighting to save your life and your people. You kind of don't give a shit if Trump comes to power and blows up the US. "Okay, well, our country's getting blown up and no one cares, so sure, sounds good."

Like I say, that's not my point of view, at all, not least of which because Trump is going to blow up plenty of stuff outside the US including Palestine. I definitely think there were skilled people who latched on to that movement and tried to use it to hurt Democrats as a US political tool, too. I'm just saying that in a Palestinian-specific community you can't really use the same rules and level and style of debate about it that you would in a US politics community.

I'm just saying it's different when someone is fighting to save their life. You can even make the same point you tried to make. But you have to be kind. You have to be at least a little bit sympathetic. You probably still would have been banned for it, in which case it's a lot closer to PTB, but as it is, it looks to me like you and the other commenters were unkind enough that YDI regardless of anything else.

Ugh. Now, of all times, we should be banding together. Instead, we are all turned against each other, at each others' throats because of petty purity tests.

You don't need to bring up Trump anytime someone rightfully condemns Biden for his complicity in Israel's genocide. I respond to these comments a lot and it's, frankly, exhausting. I'm picking those fights and * still* sometimes feel like I want to punch the guy behind the keyboard. I couldn't imagine modding a community where it's them coming to me, and I can absolutely understand being heavy handed with moderation because, as I said, it's fucking exhausting seeing a hundred different smartasses trying to make a leopards eating faces style point while also being massively hypocritical about it. And I'm not even Palestinian; if I was I'd also hate you for defending my mother/father/etc's killer. YDI. That screenshotful of bans? Relatable as fuck. I accept it because again, I'm the one getting into these arguments; I'm entering these people's backyards, but I'd totally ban them if they brought that shit into my backyard.

BTW to respond to your original comment Biden tried to do basically the same thing in the middle of the war (it was Gaza rather than all of Palestine, but Trump's statement was also about Gaza). He only failed because Sisi adamantly refused. Biden has no moral high ground here.

Please replace the screenshot with the deobfuscated mod names with the normal modlog where the mod names are not visible.

Acknowledging reality when it doesn't hurt THE DEMONRATS is forbidden. /s

PTB

Edit: In response to a private message I sent. The mod apologized, and unbanned me. I'm leaving up what I wrote since, well, I did wrote it and I'm not going to pretend I didn't.

Original text of my post:

I just got banned from there for 3 days because I pointed out a guy was being a Racist by going on and on about how "Westerners" this and "Westerners" that (i.e. being prejudiced about everybody born in a certain area), even though I very explictly agreed with most of his points on the quality of the points themselves and generally agree that what the Biden administration did and what Israel has been doing is unnacceptable.

Same mod doing the banning as you see above. I'm genuinelly wondering if this mod account hasn't been hacked and is now being run from Tel Aviv since it's a far smarter Psy Ops strategy upon capturing such an account to start antagonizing neutrals and even supporters of the Palestinian cause than to merelly close the forum (since a new similar forum would quickly be openned elsewhere) - it makes sense for a Counter-Propaganda op to poison the well.

The most frustrating part of getting banned from there is that having echo chambers like that decreases the likelihood that new Lemmy users will stick around.

Palestinians have my full sympathy and the Israeli government my full ire, with the past year's bloodshed demonstrating that an independent Palestine being necessary and long overdue if there's to be any chance of a long term peace.

My problem with the moderator's comments was twofold. First, they themselves are demonstrating an extremist position in suggesting that terrorism committed in retribution to Israel's war crimes is in any way acceptable. While I can sympathize with there being few other meaningful options available when Israel has the US as an ally, any hope of meaningful political support for the Palestinian cause—something will only degrade further under Trump—is lost if Israel is no longer seen as the aggressor. Resistance is one thing, terrorism is another.

Secondly, setting the goalposts of success as being the proclamation of a ceasefire was meaningless, given that they now have Trump's support to gradually expel the remaining Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and establish additional Israeli settlements. Like him or not, Biden was at the very least against that, something that means a lot more in terms of the long term ability for Palestinians to remain in Palestine.

Having been banned, I can't interact with any posts on there now unfortunately, so just added it to my block list. More importantly, however, the more echo chambers that people establish on Lemmy, the harder it'll be to attract new users to the platform.

YDI, but for very specific reasons and I understand your perspective.

In a vacuum, your comments are 100% fine, OP. However, in the context of those communities, comments like yours dominate the discussion and drown out other perspectives. It’s exhausting and disrespectful to constantly redirect conversations about significant figures involved in tragic events—like the murder of family and friends—back to team sports-style politics.

Let people express their anger at Biden. You’re not addressing the harm he’s done by derailing critical conversations about him. If you want to criticize Netanyahu or Trump, make your own original posts. (If those posts also get banned, I’ll gladly revisit my position.)

Wait, you can see which moderator did something?