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Criteria: I'm looking for instances that are defed' with the Big 3 tankies (lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, and hexbear). I have no interest in trying to persuade my friends to create an acc and set up instance blocks before diving in, or dealing with the feedback when they run into the tankie brigade.

Edit: lemmy.cafe and infosec.pub seem to fit. I also find it really interesting just how many of the replies totally ignored my stated criteria.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

.cafe is the only major one that I know is defederated with all 3.

https://lemmy.cafe/instances

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

I have noticed a lot of accounts from that instance being quickly created and banned. I don't know if they're trolls or spambots, but it seems like they don't have very good control over who creates an account there.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think I found the best one:

infosec.pub

has 4186 total users and 335 active users

seems more active than the .cafe that the other user suggested

Good luck with converting more people to join Lemmy!

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lemmy.cafe is what you’re looking for!

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Sadly, there are no "great" options here:-(.

Side-note: "instance blocking" is misnamed, don't be mislead - all that does is mute communities on that instance, but it still shows you all of their comments on posts to communities not on that instance (cough Cowbee cough cough), plus they can reply to you, generate constant notifications (for WEEKS and WEEKS on end if they choose to - it's happened to me, once for hexbear.net and again for lemmygrad.ml, back when my instances were still federated with those, and when I was naive and fresh and had no idea what I was walking into by replying to a post that I had found on All, not having read the community sidebar first), and also they can vote on and influence your content. Only true defederation will prevent the latter though.

  1. lemmy.cafe as you saw, but it has some technical problems - e.g. notice how none of the image previews load when you visit? I have no idea what further problems lie behind that one - all I know is that it has persisted for weeks, which does not fill me with confidence. Still, not a bad idea to at least test for yourself?

  2. dubvee.org, which has a friendly site admin though a nonstandard (& nonintuitive?) web UI "Tesseract"; he is super aggressive at blocking both the Alt-Right and also the Alt-Left and also trolls regardless of instance; the major down-side being that it is not a wide-spread general-use instance, and limited to W. Virginia USA atm. Anyone who likes to argue may get booted quickly though.

  3. quokk.au, although it has only a single admin rather than a team of such, and people say that their requests to join can get ignored for days as a result, also it's in Australia, so with that geographic distance I would worry about federation of content particularly from Lemmy.World that holds ~80% of the Lemmy users and most of the Fediverse content (at least, this is a major issue for Aussie.Zone also in AU). Here too you could make an account and test it out, prior to recommending to friends? If so, let us know your experiences with it?:-)

  4. PieFed allows you to block all the users from any instance of your choice without needing a site admin; this Lemmy alternative also has many fantastic upgrades over Lemmy (categories of communities, hashtags, YouTube video embedding, which Tesseract also offers, and more), however it lacks many of the more foundational aspects (user tagging, searching is primitive, many Notifications do not actually go to what they point at so that gets super frustrating), so while I am located there myself this is not something that I would recommend to everyone, only "early-adopters", particularly those who can fall back onto a Lemmy alt when necessary.

  5. I have heard that the Sync and Connect apps can block all users from any instance of your choice, without needing admin approval. They have a number of other nifty features as well. I have never used either of these, but these might be your best option?

  6. Sublinks... well, that's not an option "soon" at any rate.

  7. Otherwise someone would need to spin up a new instance, at which point they can do whatever they choose, but it's a lot of work, particularly a lot of network bandwidth. Or convince an existing admin team to defed from lemmy.ml? It's hard enough for most to decide to defed even from lemmygrad.ml and/or hexbear.net though.:-(

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Face it: we are a Nazi bar, or rather the Alt-Left equivalent of one. It takes enormous efforts to carve out a corner of this open social web that fights back hard against a ~~Nazi~~ fascist, and most are unwilling to do what it takes. Though slowly but surely, I do see MAJOR improvements over time - e.g. Discuss.Online recently defederated from hexbear (though unfortunately not also Lemmy.ml), so I view that as a strong even if not entirely sufficient step forward.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's another option to "block" an instance: if you make them ban you, they won't be able to see your posts or interact with you anymore.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can just imagine an entire community dedicated to people posting - from each new Alt account that they make (particularly Blaze:-) - messages such as "please ban me from your instance".

If half the Lemmings did this, it would have 20k posts in that community:-).

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

heh, sadly it doesn't prevent you seeing their opinions in comments. But still, it ensures that they won't ever appear in your own OPs.

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[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I use Connect for android. I have blocked some instances within it, so I don't see posts from those communities in my /all, and while I do see their comments they are behind a "this user is blocked. click here to show anyway" type of message like a spoiler tag. It works well enough.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh that's perfection! So much better than a binary yes/no.

So many apps, like Voyager, simply activate the Lemmy baseline "instance blocking" that does next to nothing to actually block the instance.

I bet there's a lot of other cool things that Connect can do too.:-)

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Thanks for the really detailed response!

  1. Yeah, I noticed the missing thumbnails and I agree it is cause for concern.
  2. The dubvee admin has been mentioned several times in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com as a PTB, banning anybody who downvotes him. Not the best situation to expose newcomers to either.
  3. I can try that out. The single point of failure and long registration time looks like a concern.

Do you have any opinion about infosec.pub which somebody else recommended?

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago
[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

Feeling good on lemmy.sdf.org

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