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On Monday, X filed an objection in The Onion’s bid to buy InfoWars out of bankruptcy. In the objection, Elon Musk’s lawyers argued that X has “superior ownership” of all accounts on X, that it objects to the inclusion of InfoWars and related Twitter accounts in the bankruptcy auction, and that the court should therefore prevent the transfer of them to The Onion. 

The legal basis that X asserts in the filing is not terribly interesting. But what is interesting is that X has decided to involve itself at all, and it highlights that you do not own your followers or your account or anything at all on corporate social media, and it also highlights the fact that Elon Musk’s X is primarily a political project he is using to boost, or stifle, specific viewpoints and help his friends. In the filing, X’s lawyers essentially say—like many other software companies, and, increasingly, device manufacturers as well—that the company’s terms of service grant X’s users a “license” to use the platform but that, ultimately, X owns all accounts on the social network and can do anything that it wants with them.

“Few bankruptcy courts have addressed the issue of ownership of social media accounts, and those courts that have were focused on whether an individual or the individual’s employer owned an account used for business purposes—not whether the social media company had a superior right of ownership over either the individual or the corporation,” Musk’s lawyers write. 

The case Musk’s lawyers are referencing here is Vital Pharm’s bankruptcy case, in which a supplement company filed for bankruptcy and the court decided that the Twitter and Instagram accounts @BangEnergyCEO, which were primarily used by its CEO Jack Owoc to promote the brand, were owned by the company, not Owoc. The court determined that the accounts were therefore part of the bankruptcy and could not be kept by Owoc.

Except in exceedingly rare circumstances like the Vital Pharm case, the transfer of social media accounts in bankruptcy from one company to another has been routine. When VICE was sold out of bankruptcy, its new owners, Fortress Investment Group, got all of VICE’s social media accounts and YouTube pages. X, Google, Meta, etc did not object to this transfer because this sort of thing happens constantly and is not controversial. (It should be noted that social media companies regularly do try to prevent the sale of social media accounts on the black market. But they do not usually attempt to block the sale of them as part of the sale of companies or in bankruptcy.)

But in this InfoWars case, X has decided to inject itself into the bankruptcy proceedings. Jones has signaled that Musk has done this in order to help him, and his tweet about it has gone incredibly viral. On a stream of his show after the filing, Jones called this “a major breaking Monday evening news alert that deals with the First Amendment and the people's fight to reclaim our country from the clutches of the globalists.”

"Elon Musk X Corp entered the case with a lawsuit within it to defend the right of X to not have private handles of people like Alex Jones stripped away. It violates the 13th Amendment against slavery, there are many issues. Today they filed a major brief in the case,” Jones said. “Elon Musk’s X comes to Alex Jones’ defense against democrat attempts to steal Jones’ X identity.”

Musk famously unbanned Jones, then appeared on the same Twitter Spaces broadcast with him. Musk has also tweeted occasionally that he believes The Onion is not funny. Jones, meanwhile, has been ranting and raving about some sort of conspiracy that he believes led a judge via the Deep State to sell InfoWars to The Onion at auction. 

X calls itself “the sole owner” of X accounts, and states that it “does not consent” to the sale of the InfoWars accounts, as doing so would “undermine X Corp.’s rightful ownership of the property it licenses to Free Speech Systems [InfoWars], Jones, or any other account holder on the X platform.” Again, X accounts are transferred in bankruptcy all the time with no drama and with no objection from X.

“Looming over the framework [in the Vital Pharm case] was the undeniable reality that social media companies, like X Corp., are the only parties that have truly exclusive control over users’ accounts,” the lawyers write. “X CORP. OWNS THE X ACCOUNTS.”

That a corporate social media company says it owns the social media accounts on its service is probably not surprising. Meta, Twitter, Google, LinkedIn, and ByteDance have run up astronomical valuations by more or getting people to fill their platforms with content for free, and have created and destroyed countless businesses, business models, and industries with their constantly-shifting algorithms and monetization strategies. But to see this fact outlined in such stark terms in a court document makes clear that, for human beings to seize any sort of control over their online lives, we must move toward decentralized, portable forms of social media and must move back toward creating and owning our own platforms and websites.

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 4 points 31 minutes ago (2 children)

How will Musk manage all the conflicts of interest, between all of his companies and assets and his role in government. His business interests are so large and diverse that it literally can't be done, can it? Already got the sense that the US is going down the path of oligarchic kleptocracy. But how shameless and out in the open will it be?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

oligarchic ~~kleptocracy~~ cryptocracy

FFY

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 points 25 minutes ago

Simple: he doesn't.

In his mind the government needs to be run like a business, and in business only profit matters, therefore there is no conflict of interest. Also it is becoming clear that laws are completely irrelevant now and no matter the accusation, they will put YOU in jail because they got the power.

[–] maevyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 13 minutes ago

This really conflicts with the idea that, as platforms, websites are not legally liable for the content their user’s produce. At least at a high level, it feels like those two should be mutually exclusive. If X owns all of the accounts on its site, it should be legally liable for all of them. If X is not legally liable, it should imply some amount of individual ownership.

Like, yes federation is better and we should be pushing for it, but also, we should be trying to push for better regulation of incumbent social media platforms too if we can. Seems unlikely but we can try.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 minutes ago

If X owns all of the accounts, then it sounds like they should be liable for all of the speech from those accounts. I hope people jump on this.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 minutes ago

i hope elon musk dies

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 2 hours ago

If he wanted to save a right wing shitbird's stuff so badly, why didn't he buy it?

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is grounds for the immediate dismantling of twitter.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

To make sense of this: Infowars is social media company (uses X account as platform)?

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 1 points 27 seconds ago

Infowars was/is a media company, Alex Jones' show was on TV and online.
They are known for peddling and creating far right conspiracy theories, and because of this were often banned from social media websites for breaking their Terms of Service.
Because Elon is a right-wing conspiracy theorist who likes Alex Jones, he unbanned infowars from Twitter when he(Elon) bought it.

Inforwars was recently sued into the ground because of the claims he made to his audience about the victims of school shootings and their families. Because of this, he was ordered to have his assets liquidated.
The Onion (a satirical news/comedy website) won the bid for Inforwars and its assets, and Elon isn't a fan of this, so he's trying to not allow The Onion access to the Inforwars Twitter account.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 66 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I can't wait for the Texas and Connecticut families to file a motion to make X liable for the $1.5b too, since they own the Infowars account it's their responsibility.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 27 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Can't have a safe harbor and ownership.

[–] spiritsong@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago

This I don't trust the US legal system but it'll be very funny if the Sandy Hook parents win.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 25 points 6 hours ago

Please let this happen. It'd be fucking hilarious to watch the rat try to squirm out of xitter losing him even more money.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

Why does this surprise anyone? Doesn't anyone know what terms of service are? This place is the same way.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 27 points 6 hours ago

Xitter is basically state media at this point. MAGA media, if you prefer, as run by the preferences of President Musk.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 70 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

if they own the accounts, that means they arent protected by section 230 and is liable for every illegal thing that is posted?

[–] invalid_name@lemm.ee 21 points 6 hours ago

No but see also not that.

[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 6 hours ago

I'd be okay not owning my social media account if these parasites would stop thinking they're entitled to my privacy and sensitive information.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm still reading but ffs- I click ONE x.con source and my in app browser makes me hit back 5 times just to get to lemmy again nothing else pulls that shit but maybe daily news level

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's why you middle-click all off-site links.

[–] daellat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

They said in-app browser I imagine they're on mobile

[–] piskertariot@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You own what is on your machine, that you save locally.

Some companies believe they control the internet, but they do not. They control what is on the computers they own, that they save locally. Sometimes that is information that users have shared. That is their choice.

[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you use Mac or windows

[–] invalid_name@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

your machine

Thats what they said.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 217 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

So if x has superior ownership, then they should be subject to every illegal thing ever posted on X.

Including CSAM posts and other illegal things.

So whos the pedo now Elon?

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

The judge should say, fine if you want legal precedent that you are the superior owner I'll give it to you, case closed. Now you will have to respond for every singles illegal thing posted on there since you are the owner.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 hours ago

Especially if the claim ownership of the Infowars account. They should be added to the debtors for the Sandy Hook families.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Same as the Companies are People bs. They're people when it comes to bribing politicians, but they have money and are not responsible for evils committed by their companies.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And are essentially immortal entities

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
  • Corporations are people ❌
  • Corporations are Gods ✅
[–] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 hours ago

Aquinas spoke of that mythical city on the hill...

[–] invalid_name@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

You think it ever wasn't him?

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 45 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So whos the pedo now Elon?

I won't ever get over him larping as a child and tweeting as if he'd want himself as a father.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago

And all because none of his actual children give two shits about Apartheid Daddy.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 42 points 12 hours ago

Bitch I run my own mastodon instance. I definitely own my social media accounts

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

The corporate courts are on their way, chummer.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 77 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Okay... so lets say Musk wins, and the infowars handle isn't transferred.

The Onion should then file an impersonation complaint with X and have the handle handed to them. I would assume in the auction the onion purchased the rights to the trademark InfoWars.

[–] locuester@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago

X could just hide/delete/forbid the account entirely to avoid this. It’s not impersonation if it doesn’t exist.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 32 points 13 hours ago

This would be interesting considering people like Elon want to get rid of Section 230. He could be shooting himself in his left foot to prevent himself from shooting himself in his right foot.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 168 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (9 children)

What the actual fuck?! Just that first paragraph!

On Monday, X filed an objection in The Onion’s bid to buy InfoWars out of bankruptcy. In the objection, Elon Musk’s lawyers argued that X has “superior ownership” of all accounts on X, that it objects to the inclusion of InfoWars and related Twitter accounts in the bankruptcy auction, and that the court should therefore prevent the transfer of them to The Onion.

So they argue that accounts are non transferable, even by court order!!
This is complete bullshit, and should not be taken seriously at all as a legal argument, obviously X has the right to close the accounts afterwards, if they are operated against the terms X has decided. But ONLY if that. It should not be allowed to do it arbitrarily.

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