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I don’t see that when reading the writings of most pioneering Zionists. Not saying there went some that thought like that, but the vast majority I’ve encountered while researching Zionism share roughly the same reasoning: tired of being hunted and having nowhere to run. Think about it, persecuted Christians have all of Europe and America to flee to, Muslims have all of the Middle East and parts of Africa to flee to, the Jews had nowhere to flee to. Frankly, being part of a group that is consistently hunted time and time again throughout history, being called parasites because they have no homeland, will do a number on one’s psychology. I’d wager that the vast majority of Zionists were not in fact fascists, but deeply scared people who saw safety in having a place to call their own.

That’s a LOT of scheming for a piece of land the size of New Jersey. Even smaller had they agreed to the UN proposal and unified with Transjordan and let the Zionists deal with cultivating the negev desert.

I am quite familiar with the haavara agreement. It was an agreement that allowed Germany to rid itself of its “problem” and allowed Jews to flee to already established Jewish settlements in Palestine. That has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust. They wanted OUT of Germany. Not herded into a gas chamber…

There’s also this guy https://i.imgur.com/puycOKG.jpg who gave the Nazis widespread support throughout Palestine and even personally assisted in recruiting Muslims to the SS. There’s also this book https://imgur.io/gh1T0AV?r written by the leader of the PLO where he argues zionists wanted an extermination of their own people to make the world feel sorry for them.
Here’s another, the Hebron massacre in 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

Jew hate for the sake of Jew hate is very well documented in this area. Their own actions and words speak for themselves.

Okay, here are two more links detailing their persecution in the Middle East.
https://i.imgur.com/Tc0zvjq.jpg
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-01-24/ty-article-magazine/like-father-like-son-the-ottoman-governor-who-tortured-the-jews-of-jerusalem/0000017f-f7cc-d044-adff-f7fd35c00000

Agreed.

You are exactly right. Hamas knows what they are doing, and it’s working perfectly. A close friend was quite literally handed a pamphlet at work today called “The Jews and their lies”. I don’t even know any Jewish people and even I can tell what Hamas’s end game is.

Forgot to address your final point my apologies. Here is one of many pictures that can be found of Jews purchasing the land https://i.imgur.com/5fYx5Ud.jpg

What you said about the British stealing it may be true but why place the blame on Jews? The man in that picture doesn’t look British. They bought the land with money they saved up for to flee extermination in Europe.

I’m not talking about the Aliyah, I’m talking about the persecution of Jews in that area for 1000s of years. https://i.imgur.com/kl9n1jT.png

How can Zionism be a racist project when it is a mixed population with the majority being of middle eastern descent? https://i.imgur.com/9laOetm.png

This entire argument was spawned because a commenter pointed out that no, Israel is not going to let a group that effortlessly blends in with the civilian population into their country. Thank you for at least addressing my points. A lot of this comes down to who do you trust? I really don’t trust either side personally, but from all the research I’ve done I’ve found mountains of evidences of intense hatred of Jews in this region long before WWII. I’ve found mountains of evidence pointing towards the land being bought legally prior to the 1948 declaration of war. If you are interested I can provide multiple sources for you about it. I don’t have an agenda and I’d like to see a ceasefire. I just want people to be informed.

This was all I needed to hear. Facts be damned your mind is already made up. I don’t think I even need to explain how dangerous this way of thinking is.

Here is evidence of Hamas telling Palestinians to stay put https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-tells-gaza-residents-stay-home-israel-ground-offensive-looms-2023-10-13/

Here is evidence of Israel giving 24 hours notice before bombing and saying that the bombings will not stop until all hostages are released https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120042

Here is evidence that neighboring countries do not want Palestinian refugees https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/war-in-israel/jordan-egypt-palestinian-refugees/

Here is evidence of why neighboring countries don’t want Palestinian refugees https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/70-years-ago-jordans-king-assassinated-by-palestinian-on-temple-mount-674480

All this evidence is painting a very complicated picture. One that shouldn’t be fought over like a sports game.