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Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.

"I agree," he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying "it's time" for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.

The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration's "America First" agenda.

The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.

U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.

Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine "can forget" about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 21 points 4 hours ago

If the US leaves the United Nations, does that mean they lose their security council veto power even if they somehow rejoin later?

Seems like something the other former global superpower, Russia, would be very happy to see happen.

I fail to see how this advances America's interests whatsoever. Republicans are huffing glue again.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 14 minutes ago

I wonder what's going to happen to the new Gernan rifles of the US military.

[–] himmyguap@lemmy.world 21 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This is not going to end well for Elon Musk.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

I sincerely hope not.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago

FYI: even North Korea is a member of the UN!

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I publicly support the unaliving of musk

[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

But not into the sun. It takes more energy to launch something into the sun Vs just into space.

[–] porkloin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Can we try to land him in his stupid fucking orbiting car or whatever

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 14 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Leaving NATO would cost the US over $100 billion in arms sales annually, so they won't do it. But to have and eat their cake they just don't need to honour article 5

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 hours ago

To be perfectly honest they should probably kick the US out of it

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

Idk, Trump already tried it at the end of his last term. These people don't have the USA's best interests in mind.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 65 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

If the US leaves the UN it permanently gives up its seat in the Security Council and its veto.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Russia magically inherited the USSR's security council seat even though they are not the USSR. When the US collapses, which part gets their old seat? (I vote we give it to Canada personally)

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Russia was always Russia. It was the seat of the USSR so it just stayed with Russia. If the US withdraws it gives up its seat. Canada would happily accept a permanent seat on the Security Council with veto.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 minutes ago

Yeah, Russia took over the debts of the USSR as well, didn't they?

I imagine it would have to be another country with a large nuclear weapons stockpile. India comes to mind.

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[–] klemptor@startrek.website 52 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

FUCK THIS GUY SO HARD. I swear to god this lunatic needs to be stopped.

[–] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 hours ago

This lunatic is a danger for the world. He is an unelected unaccountable person with the power of the presidency. It’s terrifying.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 15 points 10 hours ago

Preferably a bullet

[–] Srh@lemmy.world 116 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 23 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Name one time US veto power was used for good.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Mostly it's just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn't even get the chance. Here's a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE

warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don't read it if you enjoy your sanity

Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven't been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general's takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.

Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.

Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.

Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.

Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.

Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.

Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.

Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama's then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn't find, assuming the Nicaraguan's to be co-conspirators.

Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That's probably the only time it'd be justified

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 173 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Will no one rid us of this treasonous billionaire?

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Which treasonous billionaire? There's dozens to choose from.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Will no one rid me of these meddlesome billionaires, comrade

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 86 points 18 hours ago (17 children)

There is a reason he travels with the little meat shield.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 36 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

I publicly support ejecting this unelected scumbag from our country.

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[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 23 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

The USA have never been so weak and so alone. Seems like a good time to exit NATO

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[–] Xenobiotic@sh.itjust.works 92 points 18 hours ago
[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago

... which has cut significant amounts of government spending...

Has it, though? I mean, even its own over-inflated "receipts" are barely a microscopic percentage of a drop of the overall budget.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 73 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration

Checks out.

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