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Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.

"I agree," he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying "it's time" for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.

The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration's "America First" agenda.

The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.

U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.

Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine "can forget" about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

Name one time US veto power was used for good.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

For making an argument to appeal to musk, that's besides the point. In fact because the veto power being used for bad it is probably is a more appealing point

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That's probably the only time it'd be justified

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Mostly it's just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn't even get the chance. Here's a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE

warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don't read it if you enjoy your sanity

Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven't been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general's takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.

Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.

Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.

Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.

Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.

Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.

Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.

Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama's then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn't find, assuming the Nicaraguan's to be co-conspirators.

Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.