Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Ukraine Nato membership

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This guy has balls the size of western Europe.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 hours ago

The US will dispose of him well before that ever happens. He has outlived his usefulness to US empire.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Completely meaningless given that NATO requires unanimous agreement by all the existing members. Everybody knows that this will never happen, so basically what he's saying is that he'll cling on to power.

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

so basically what he’s saying is that he’ll cling on to power.

I find this to be a disingenuous framing. He clearly made that comment in service to the greater good of Ukraine, and I don't know how being the leader of a nation facing imperial domination and constant war and death is something anyone would want to 'cling' to other than out of a sense of duty to the people he is representing.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

If he gave a shit about the Ukraine he would've signed the Istanbul agreements two weeks into the war. This scumbag is responsible for destroying the country at the behest of the west. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been under imperial domination since 2014 when the legitimate government was overthrown there. Zelensky also isn't representing anybody because he cancelled elections. The fact that there are still people who try to frame him as some here is absolutely surreal.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The more important part of his statement is "for peace".

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

He had plenty of opportunities to achieve piece starting with implementing Minsk agreements before the war started, signing the agreement in Istanbul two weeks into the war, and numerous other opportunities after. Each time he rejected peace and continued facilitating the destruction of Ukraine.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

just pointing out that NATO is not going to happen. Stepping down offer is mainly for peace by someone else.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Actions speak louder than words, and I believe Zelenskyy would. Great example of leadership.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

Something like yesterday or so General Secretary of NATO said membership for Ukraine was never proposed. So it's just empty posturing on the side of Zelensky.

[–] rentasonder@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 hours ago

This is just words.

[+] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

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[+] Korkki@lemmy.ml -14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Nato membership for Ukraine is a no go for Russia, whose approval is actually needed to end the war. Also neither the US or most of European countries keen on having Ukraine in EU, especially when the war is still going on. Zelensky is just fucking with everybody here and insulting everybody's intelligence. He is not ready to step down, he is holding on for his dear life.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Russia has no say on NATO membership they can grind their teeth and whine like a baby as much as they want.

It is assumed putini will instruct dumpy to block it anyway and they can't be members until the war is over.

Everything you see in regards to Ukraine for the next few months will be about setting up negotiations zelensky stepping down is part of that.
Zelensky has been president for nearly 5 years most of that while at war, I don't blame him in wanting to step down.

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Russia has no say on NATO membership they can grind their teeth and whine like a baby as much as they want.

No, if or the EU leaders insists on Ukraine getting into Nato, then Russia will just keep the war going and end Ukraine as a state if they have to. They of course don't want that burden, but they are very ready and capable of doing that. That is their veto regarding Ukrainian nato membership.

It's even easier now that US is pulling out. Why would the Russians ever give concessions like that to Ukraine now? Is west going to sanction Russia even more? Give Ukraine more of the ever more anemic amounts of weapons?

Plus every European country knows that taking Ukraine into Nato while the war is going on is like vote if they want to escalate this thing over Ukraine into a hot war against Russia that will go nuclear. Ukrainians themselves of course want that outcome. For them it would be just more bodies dying with them and for them, since they can't seem to accept anything else than their vision on total victory. These Zelensky's idiotic words just confirm that even more. That is also why unless a miracle happens and despite the talk form Ukraine and EU leaders Ukraine is never getting into Nato. That's just a fact. Ukraine lost, get over it. Than fuck "the orange man" and his team has some sense in this regard.

[+] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -23 points 10 hours ago

Very useful of him. Ukraine needs leadership that can make peace with Russia, and still keep Kherson, Odessa, or leave up to referendums where they go. Zelensky wouldn't win election anyway. War was obviously big mistake, and looking to US/west for "protection" or terrorism support is just too high of a price to pay.

Zelensky can't be part of future of Ukraine, but it is very helpful for him to step down. Focus should be on trade instead of war.

[+] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -34 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Zelensky should have inquired about NATO guarantees before sending half his country into the meat grinder. The only guarantee NATO gives is a knife in the back. Ask the Kurds about it.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 hours ago

NATO (Stoltenberg) proudly rejected Putin's offer to avoid the war by refusing to ever admit Ukraine. Was evil war from the start, and was never intended to end well for Ukraine.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Zelensky should have inquired about NATO guarantees before sending half his country into the meat grinder.

So, don’t defend your home from a foreign invader unless you’re allowed into NATO? This doesn’t make any sense.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 23 minutes ago

Ukraine didn't take peace deals throughout the war because they thought the Europeans and Americans had their backs, and would let them into NATO for security in the future.

Now the Ukrainians have lost hundreds of thousands of people, huge tracts of land, and are about to be looted so hard it will make the looting of Russia after the dissolution of the USSR look like a cake walk.

The Ukrainians fought for a lie. Rule no. 1 of geopolitics. NEVER trust the Europeans or Americans. They will always backstab you.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

Ukraine is now destroyed, they are not in NATO. And they have a massive debt to America.

This makes a lot of sense 🤠👍

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