Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Ukraine Nato membership

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 33 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This guy has balls the size of western Europe.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

The US will dispose of him well before that ever happens. He has outlived his usefulness to US empire.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Completely meaningless given that NATO requires unanimous agreement by all the existing members. Everybody knows that this will never happen, so basically what he's saying is that he'll cling on to power.

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

so basically what he’s saying is that he’ll cling on to power.

I find this to be a disingenuous framing. He clearly made that comment in service to the greater good of Ukraine, and I don't know how being the leader of a nation facing imperial domination and constant war and death is something anyone would want to 'cling' to other than out of a sense of duty to the people he is representing.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

If he gave a shit about the Ukraine he would've signed the Istanbul agreements two weeks into the war. This scumbag is responsible for destroying the country at the behest of the west. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been under imperial domination since 2014 when the legitimate government was overthrown there. Zelensky also isn't representing anybody because he cancelled elections. The fact that there are still people who try to frame him as some here is absolutely surreal.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The more important part of his statement is "for peace".

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He had plenty of opportunities to achieve piece starting with implementing Minsk agreements before the war started, signing the agreement in Istanbul two weeks into the war, and numerous other opportunities after. Each time he rejected peace and continued facilitating the destruction of Ukraine.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

just pointing out that NATO is not going to happen. Stepping down offer is mainly for peace by someone else.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca -4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If this really will never happen, Putin should promise the same, and see what happens. :)

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago

That ship has sailed: Putin tried to get Russia into NATO decades ago.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Actions speak louder than words, and I believe Zelenskyy would. Great example of leadership.

[–] rentasonder@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 9 hours ago

This is just words.

[+] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

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[+] Korkki@lemmy.ml -13 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Nato membership for Ukraine is a no go for Russia, whose approval is actually needed to end the war. Also neither the US or most of European countries keen on having Ukraine in EU, especially when the war is still going on. Zelensky is just fucking with everybody here and insulting everybody's intelligence. He is not ready to step down, he is holding on for his dear life.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Russia has no say on NATO membership they can grind their teeth and whine like a baby as much as they want.

It is assumed putini will instruct dumpy to block it anyway and they can't be members until the war is over.

Everything you see in regards to Ukraine for the next few months will be about setting up negotiations zelensky stepping down is part of that.
Zelensky has been president for nearly 5 years most of that while at war, I don't blame him in wanting to step down.

[+] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -17 points 7 hours ago

Very useful of him. Ukraine needs leadership that can make peace with Russia, and still keep Kherson, Odessa, or leave up to referendums where they go. Zelensky wouldn't win election anyway. War was obviously big mistake, and looking to US/west for "protection" or terrorism support is just too high of a price to pay.

Zelensky can't be part of future of Ukraine, but it is very helpful for him to step down. Focus should be on trade instead of war.

[+] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -29 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Zelensky should have inquired about NATO guarantees before sending half his country into the meat grinder. The only guarantee NATO gives is a knife in the back. Ask the Kurds about it.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Zelensky should have inquired about NATO guarantees before sending half his country into the meat grinder.

So, don’t defend your home from a foreign invader unless you’re allowed into NATO? This doesn’t make any sense.

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I swear this thread is full of some of the dumbest comments in the history of Lemmy.

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone -1 points 2 hours ago

It's full of Russian bots, many of these comments don't make sense in any context except blind propaganda against Ukraine

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 hours ago

NATO (Stoltenberg) proudly rejected Putin's offer to avoid the war by refusing to ever admit Ukraine. Was evil war from the start, and was never intended to end well for Ukraine.

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