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Trump envoy can’t name a single concession Russia will make in peace deal
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I remain unimpressed by CNN reporters because he has not asked the most important question: What will guarantee Russia's adherence to any kind of peace deal?
It's boring to repost it the Nth time but the 1994 Budapest Memorandum was quite clear about these matters:
- Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
- Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories...
- Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest...
- Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
Yet, putin kicked nearly every single point in the memorandum the moment he felt ready. Why would the same leader act differently in the future?
It's eerily similar in my view to the Abraham accords. Trump negotiated bypassing Palestinians and then we got Oct 7 and the war that spiraled from it. These "deals" are as flimsy as a CyberTruck, but it's also very trumpy. He gets to act like a peacemaker and then his successor will deal with the consequent shit. Same thing happened in Afghanistan.
*edit: also, if someone wants to be "fair" (i'd rather say naive) one can consider the official Russian narrative, but again that narrative explicitly goes against the Budapest Memorandum, meaning, they are very open about not respecting treaties they sign.
CNN was bought by a right wing shitbag. They are FOX News in a trench coat
While I understand your perspective, the Abraham accords are different because they are deals between Israel and other countries, without including Palestine. Here the deal would be between the main protagonists Ukraine and Russia.
The security guarantees will likely need to be provided by European countries, although Russia seems against having troops from any NATO member country in Ukraine.
they are deals between Israel and other countries, without including Palestine. Here the deal would be between the main protagonists Ukraine and Russia.
That's exactly my point. The present style of negotiations makes the impression like this was a deal between Russia and USA.
I’m not sure about that. The US Secretary of State met with Zelenskyy in Munich before meeting with Lavrov in Saudi Arabia. There was also a US envoy in Ukraine a couple days ago to conduct additional discussions with Zelenskyy.
For now, the US is playing a mediator role and talks to each side separately.
Let's say that there is an honest, clear, standard diplomatic protocol running as you described. Trump's concurrent activity, specifically mentioned in this interview, sets the tone and not in a positive way.
Yes, let’s wait and see what actually happens.
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What are they talking about?!? Russia is obviously conceding half of Ukraine for the next 3 to 5 years. It is absolutely gracious of them to allow the people in Ukraine to borrow that territory until Russia feels like actually ruling it again!
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Meanwhile Zelensky is saying he'll give up the presidency in exchange for NATO membership.
Is that a concession? I don't think he actually wants to be president anymore.
Don't get me wrong, it's the correct "deal" to make - it's the most overt declaration he can make to those who claim he wants to be dictator for life - I just think it's probably a win/win for him.
Is that a concession?
It's absolutely a concession, and a very big one too. It's a concession to the Trump allegations that Zelenskyy is a dictator. And this bullshit argument was given as one of the reasons he wasn't invited to the talks in Saudi Arabia.
I don’t think he actually wants to be president anymore.
Doesn't change the fact that it's a very big concession.
Win win win to be honest. It's just further proof he doesn't want to be the dictator he's accused of being.
And further proof he's the much better diplomat/politician than those who exclude him.
It might be the correct deal, but it worries me. I can only imagine the people saying he wants to be a dictator are those that want a Putin style election to install another puppet. I know they have to have elections at some point - it's just a worry!
I highly doubt any Russian aligned party or candidate would win any office. Doubtful they'd survive the election in a place like Mariupol or Sebastopol.
Wonder how we can protect exit polling - that’s how we know Maduro stole so big.
I mean the Ukrainian people are currently fighting against a Russian invasion. This could be a problem in a decade or so. But not anytime soon.
Trump will agree as long as he quits first then pull the rug from under Ukraine.
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I've seen a LOT of russian/trump, "it's a mystery if they're in bed together" type posts for the past few days. It made me pull out the bookmarks from the first term. Here is some ammo if anyone needs it (other stuff is mixed in). Remember, leave the link and depart. If you're explaining, you're losing.
"Haven't they paid enough with the lives of their dear boys?"
The blind leading the lame
That's because there aren't any.
Incredible that Trump remains so mad that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize that he’s willing to literally just order an ally to give up so he can claim he made the peace and demand his prize. He really was just entirely broken by a black man being president.
The entire right wing of the country absolutely went off the deep end when a black man was elected president. Make no doubt about it, the Republican party was always awful and on the way to getting worse, but Obama's election was the the catalyst that drove mainstream conservatives into conspiracy theories and ultranationalistic race identity politics.
Or it really was the Mayan calendar ending. Or not enough dicks out for Harambe.
something like the number if hate groups in the US went up by 6000% under Obama
This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.
Trump is an agent of putin's will and he's carrying out russia's foreign policy by demanding the full surrender of ukraine.
This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.
Oh, you bet it does. Don't be silly.
Both things can be true simultaneously. 🤷♂️
Along with some other as yet unnamed reasons/causes.
There are things trump does that are erratic, but if you look at his first term and now he always was very consistent when it came to Russia and putin.
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Oh no, that is too logical. What’s he’s really still mad at Obama about is the 2011 White House Corespondents dinner that Obama roasted him at
Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy, who met with Russian President Vladimir Putin last week, said a deal over Ukraine’s raw earth minerals could be signed this week.
The deal will be signed with Russia. Trump will want carve up Ukraine between the US and Russia.
Remember how the Nazis and the Soviet Union made a treat before WWII dividing Poland between them?
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