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From FBI link: In using the term Domestic Terrorism, DHS looks to the Homeland Security Act definition of terrorism, 6 U.S.C. 101(18), which is substantially similar but not identical to the title 18 definition. That provision defines terrorism as any activity that:

β€’ Involves an act that:

  • Is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and

  • Is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and

β€’ Appears to be intended:

  • To intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

  • To influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

  • To affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 79 points 2 weeks ago

In a sane country that has laws for the rich, yeah probably among other things

In the US, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 62 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Have you paid any attention to the political scene in the United States? There is no way that a billionaire could be convicted of any crime. In the rare event that they are charged, they can delay and obfuscate so that they die before any repercussions must be suffered.

I don't think that the truth of the two-tiered American justice system has ever been so clearly delineated.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  • Indicted and charged: yes
  • Tried: at the state level, yes
  • convicted: at the state level, yes
  • sentenced in any meaningful way: no
[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Just look at Epstein. He only had to serve weekends in prison. Probably in a five star resort too

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

and they did away with him as soon as it looked like he would rat them out.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

The only threat to a rich person is pissing off the other rich people.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Epstein only had to serve weekends? Seriously? You got a link for that? That's interesting...

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

And on top of it all, he would just get a presidential pardon

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If this was a rules-based society, yes. It isn’t.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

For us poor people, it's rule based. For the mega rich, it’s definitely not

[–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

If he wasn't super rich and entrenched in the government

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

only the feds can prosecute federal crimes, afaik. this administration won't let that happen. any federal prosecutor that wants to take a shot is gonna get fired or pushed out a window the instant their intent becomes known.

the dipshit would have to venture to a state with non-conflicting laws on the books, break them in some spectacular fashion, and that state would have to have an ag willing to go down that road and prosecute.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who is going to charge him? Who is going to enforce it? Wake up and stop pretending that "the law" is some sort of binding spell.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is a revelation I think more people are going to need to realize. There's no referee coming. The rules aren't magic. Ultimately, the only things that matter are physics and might. If enough people just decided fuck it, all the multimillonaires gotta die, no cosmic force is going to call a timeout.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely right. We didn't destroy fascism in 1945, and we didn't win the labor struggle once and for all either. These forces will keep trying to come back, and we have to keep suppressing them over and over.

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Could he? Certainly, his actions certainly seem to fit the text of the law. Will he, under this administration? That would be an incredibly cold day in hell.

Perhaps the next administration might pursue charges, but that’s still quite unlikely.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago

If there was a risk of that, he would have to make sure there isn’t a next administration.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

He’ll likely get a preemptive pardon like Biden’s family & cronies got last month.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago

The supreme court has made it pretty clear that the President is a King. He cannot be prosecuted for anything.

[–] teuto@lemmy.teuto.icu 11 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like at some point in the next few years Musk and Trump are going to have a falling out, and if Musk loses in that falling out he'll get slapped with a domestic terrorism or treason charge.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would your King's best friend be charged with anything? The only thing he's going to get charged with is how to funnel your public money into his bank account.

I imagine if Trump had some sort of disagreement with Musk, he'd order the Justice department to issue charges.

[–] DeadWorld@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago

Id argue by this criteria, most politicians can be deemed domestic terrorists. Musk is certainly more brazenly active in that arena

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Trump was found guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records and then received an unconditional discharge of his sentence.

Trump would just pardon him.. Nothing you can do now.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Edit: OP has cleaned up the formatting accordingly.

I'm gonna try to clean up the formatting to make the original post easier to read...

From FBI link: In using the term Domestic Terrorism, DHS looks to the Homeland Security Act definition of terrorism, 6 U.S.C. 101(18), which is substantially similar but not identical to the title 18 definition. That provision defines terrorism as any activity that:

β€’ Involves an act that:

  • Is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and
  • Is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and

β€’ Appears to be intended:

  • To intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
  • To influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
  • To affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.
[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry, there might be something wrong with my Lemmy client. I tried editing it but it doesn't seem to fix it.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your edit is mostly fixed now, at least going by how it renders here on my end running Jerboa. It appears you just missed a space after your first asterisk bullet mark.

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks homie

[–] HorikBrun@kbin.earth 6 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing would make me happier.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Charged, sure he can; convicted is a different story.

What acts exactly do you think meet those criteria?

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cause of his right wing extremism? Could and should are two totally different things here.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's not an act.

The police are assisting him...

[–] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

To everyone pointing out that he won’t be charged, OP’s question was can he be charged. Yes we get that it’s unlikely given the current configuration of us gov’t, but do his actions meet the basic requirements? Yes, absolutely.

That said, most billionaires probably meet the definition.

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The FBI is suing the Musk/Trump DOJ for his retribution against agents who worked on the January 6th federal investigation.

https://newrepublic.com/post/191130/fbi-sues-trump-doj-justice-department-lawsuit-january-6

So, maybe the FBI will have some motivation to fight this administration? 🫠

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Wishful thinking IMO as a citizen of another failed state, you will see in time how little the government will do to protect public interests and how blatant the corruption will become.

Every month or so I find some news and think "this cannot be so obvious and go unpunished, surely this time..." and nothing happenes and next month it happens again....

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why would they? Thr Capitalist state serves Capitalists.

[–] dx1@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Can vs. will

[–] lastdance@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

What if he somehow decided to target DHS next, after USAID?