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Reddit temporarily bans r/WhitePeopleTwitter after Elon Musk claimed it had ‘broken the law’
(www.engadget.com)
And this is a problem we won't have with Lemmy.
this post was submitted on 05 Feb 2025
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We will. If Lemmy users start inciting violence or commit other crimes, instance owners will need to crack down on them, or risk losing their instance.
The only thing we got going for us is that Lemmy isn't in the spotlight (yet).
How am I, a non-Am*rican citizen, going to lose something that I host out of my bedroom because Am*ricans got upset over what I said?
DNS can and has been taken down if site admins dont respond. As long as you use the US for resolving your .coms/.orgs etc.... Your ISP may take action as well.
You can get around it with quite a few methods. But yeah those are the big ones.
The internet is a bit more centralized than people think.
So we really need then a TLD in a country that doesn't have or enforce online laws, or a microstate where anything goes. Something like a Sealand TLD, alongside an ISP from the same place that has no logs.
Perhaps someone can take over the Bir Tawil and turn that into a digital safe haven.
A "No-Tell Motel" but for the Internet.
If I host it inside the Tor network, or I2P, then I've practically cut out all points centralization out except my ISP. I live in a country where Tor isn't illegal, though, and they can't know what I'm doing inside Tor by design so they'd have to find another excuse. Anyway I don't own any American domains.
As a side point: I would ironically be far worse off if I owned a domain from my own countrys TLD because they are incredibly strict about them.
I2P is wild. I played around with it a while back. Looks cool,but I just cant find anything interesting on the network.
It depends on where it is hosted, but basically. Countries getting targeted by Trump's US and for whom the US is dissolving soft power (and compensation) for are not going to be too quick to respond, specially when they are consider actions against Elon and X.
Yes very true. Honestly it just makes the internet a bit more resilient in the long run...but those growing pains will be interesting. If ISPs start rolling out router blocklists like the news has been saying, it might mean rooting/getting a custom router becomes a necessity.
It depends on the local laws where the instance is hosted. If you would be committing a crime according to their local laws, instance owners would either have to remove your content or risk getting it forcefully removed by the "feds", or whatever that country's equivalent is.
Edit to add:
Of course, removing content is preferred, but if it becomes uncontrollable it might just be nuked
Second edit:
I read a bit too fast, I apologize. My comment is about users, not instance owners/admins. I refer to the reply you got from Admiral Patrick to fit your comment better.
- If someone's posting things that are going to get me in legal hot water because they show up on my instance, they will be banned from my instance. As an example, I don't platform people who incite violence or are here for bloodlust (see all the Luigi-based bans I had to issue).
- If someone is posting things that are against TOS of other Lemmy servers, they will likely be banned from those
- If the behavior is persistent and problematic for enough instances, the instance will likely be defederated.
In all of those cases, you're still free to say whatever you want on your own instance, but that doesn't guarantee anyone else will want to platform it on theirs. Owning your own home doesn't mean you can just waltz into other peoples' and say whatever you want.
Edited to fix a typo and change the tone so it didn't sound accusational (which wasn't my intent).
Neither of those 3 points have anything to do with what I said. This isn't a conversation about you having to tolerate me, it's a conversation about what state actors can do to censor Lemmy. Which is very little, because I can host an instance out of my bedroom and do basically whatever I want.
I mean, it's not unrelated. You can scream into a microphone all you want, but if it's not plugged into anything (or no one's listening)...
I reject this analogy. It would be more accurate to say that you are free to go to any concert you want and I am free to host a concert. Discoverability is a problem, but that's not the point. The people who like my concert know where to find my concert and no state actor can make me unable to host my own concert unless they're willing to imprison or kill me. There are very few people who care about what I would scream into a microphone about but I know that the ones who do also know where and how to listen to it.
or for no any particular reason, like on your instance, lol. then admins will make up some rules retrospectively and will pretend that nothing happened
All it takes is a couple of planted actors, a few screenshots, and a few users repeatedly regurgitating "A traitor is a traitor!" People who start throwing punches should aim for the king, this just gets you trapped for peanuts.
You have one interaction, and you think the whole world is a conspiracy. Shit cracks me up.
Edit: if people want context, just take a look at my recent comments. This guy is trying to make something out of nothing.
Looking at how .world did things with piracy community last year, they may have to make some level of TOS changes after consulting with their legal team. I'd imagine other instances might follow their guidelines too.
Lemmy isn't any different in that regard, instance owners are still responsible for moderating their instance.
Not just legally, but for the lemmyverse as a whole.
Look at yesterday's situation with sdf's instance, if you let that shit go on for too long, you will be defederated.
Look at yesterday's situation with sdf's instance
?what happened?
There was a nazi setting up and spamming nazi stuff on their instance and it took about a day or so to get the admins of lemmy.sdf.org to deal with the problem at tye source.
Yeah we don’t tolerate transphobia, that’s different to tolerating the removal of scum.
i just remembered when I got banned from r/blackPeopleTwitter after commenting. It turn out you have to submit a picture of your skin color to mod to be allowed to comment or post in the sub.
Freedom from speech absolutist.
it's still banned, along r/iselondeadyet and couple others
Do you suppose someone may one day generate a copypasta list to disseminate everywhere? Much like how the internet still remains memory of convicted rapist Brock Turner?
Sure. Temporarily.
Exactly, Huffman basically sniffs Musk's farts so the idea that this will end is foolhardy.
I suppose it could be temporary in the same way the subreddits that shut down after the blackout were brought back up with a completely different (and loyal) mod team.
I mean, the sub is full of people calling for the execution of anyone affiliated with Musk or Trump. Can we be bipartisan for a second? The screenshots that lead to the sub's banning are out there, it was unhinged af.
And yet this wasn't a problem when it was the_donald doing it to women and minorities
it was... that's why that sub was banned
I’m not sure how calling for the death of Musk or Trump is In anyway unhinged? That’s like questioning why we should stop a serial killer.
I guess the real question is how many times did you vote for Trump? All three?
Bipartisan? Bipartisan?! The only Bipartisan I want to see is Elon Musk and his goons torn apart bi-partisans.
I mean, the sub is full of people calling for the execution of anyone affiliated with Musk or Trump
... and?
Yeah, I would have nipped that rhetoric right in the bud even here on Lemmy, though I certainly wouldn't have nuked the whole community.
They also banned a shitload of NSFW subs today.