We have “land of the free” in our fucking theme song how are we fucking that up?
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In Human Psychology it's a pretty well known phenomenon that those who loudly proclaim having certain virtues are the ones less likely to have such virtues.
If you go check the countries whose politicians loudly proclaim as having certain virtues (like being great Democracies or being a land of Freedom) that rule also seems to work pretty well.
You were never the land of the free, it was basically a mockery of freedom
Nah, we were substantially freer than most at first but that didn’t last long.
Don't forget that "at first," a certain privileged group may have been freer, but not everyone.
Even then most were still freer here simply because of how remote everything was.
Is that even legal. That’s some fucked up shit?
I’ll only allow people to study in the country if they don’t object to Genocide? What the fuck?
Oh Hun, where we're going laws don't matter
Is it legal? No. Will it be stopped? I am not holding my breath.
Yes. The narrow case is that if you express support for a designated foreign terrorist organization that is grounds for denying your visa, or revoking your status. So if you are on a student visa and went to a protest wearing a hamas headband and carrying the flag then you'll end up on a plane out of the US.
Where it gets iffy is the question about people who showed up to a protest and didn't know or see or agree with the hamas flags being flown there
Despite the Zionist rhetoric, Hamas != Palestine.
Saying "The Palestinians deserve to have a land of their own" is not the same as saying "I support Hamas."
Yes, but israel pays a lot to conflate the two.
Just like they try to conflate anti Zionism or anti Israeli genocide or apartheid as antisemitism.
Agree. The vast majority of people at those protests do not support Hamas as an organization and certainly not their methods. I simply believe they'll be accusing people at the rallies that did have Hamas/Hezbollah flags of guilt by association.
He's trying to get foreigners out of the USA and trying to placate his right wing at the same time.
Honestly, I don't think getting a student visa cancelled is that bad. There are universities in other countries eager to accept foreign students and the tuition they pay.
Even China has a huge program to attract foreign students. I know people who studied there.
Is that even legal
I'm not sure in the US, but many countries do put limits on what those on certain types of visas can do. That's definitely a thing here in Japan, although enforcement for participating in protests and stuff is generally pretty rare it seems.
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2 of my egyptian comrades had to leave the country because the FBI started investigating them for terrorism after they attended and pro-palestinian protest
I remember hearing about a student protester Cornell almost caused to be deported for protesting last year (archived)
Seems like the tactic is to flood federal judges and see which one breaks.
I'm of two minds about this.
Like. If you're present in another country on a student Vida you're essentially a guest and a certain level of respect, and gratitude, I feel, is important for that privilege. Even if the right to protest is guaranteed for that country's citizens you are not citizens.
That being said I think our shared duty to do the right thing should bear more weight than any sense of obligation or hospitality.
Given the long dick of the US, rising racist sentiment, and the personal risk it takes to put yourself on the line for a greater cause, I think protesting is probably the right thing even if it is kind of rude.
For better or worse activism can be a big part of campus life and I don't think a culture of fear is conducive to a healthy academic sphere.
When I was in uni I was constantly dodging massive protests / counter protests from Israelis / Palestinians, having lectures interrupted. It annoyed the hell out of me at the time but in hindsight I'm grateful to have lived in a place where people could fight for their views, even if they supported Israel and were stupid dipshits.
Even if the right to protest is guaranteed for that country's citizens you are not citizens.
Doesn't the Constitution protect all people in the land, not just citizens?
It's somewhat tricky, it refers to 'the people' or 'persons', but some things don't make sense if you apply it to non-citizens. There's been cases to establish how it applies in regards to specific amendments, but I haven't heard of something coming up that definitively established whether that applies for the right to assemble.
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