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Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?

Because performative protest like wearing pussy hats isn't actually as effective as general strikes or direct action.

The McResistance fades because that's all it ever was.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

God all the fucking rich elite throwing literally abortion themed parties around the DNC meeting before the election was so fucking tone deaf and the exact kind of thing people will use against the party in an election and yet they still went through with it because performance is all that they know.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes. Democractic establishment throws elections away rather than tries to win them. And frankly the professional elite base of the party is more than happy with it and thinks if you disagree with them you're an uneducated sexist/racist.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You want the real answer?

Inertia.

Think about the scene in Fight Club where the homework is to go out and start a fight. It isn’t easy. Most people have never hit another person their entire lives. Men who punch walls or tear their shirts off to throw down with someone over perceived offenses are not the normal. That’s tail of the bell curve behavior. If it wasn’t, people would be fighting in parking lots everywhere you go.

The inertia of most peoples lives is to avoid conflict. This is why only a handful of people in any building you happen to be standing in are suited to leadership roles.

Now, if you can get one of those guys in the right conditions to stir up a mob hive mind then the game changes. Until then, most people will be propelled forward by inertia and conflict avoidance.

[–] Josey_Wales@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is 100% correct.

Also don’t discount the economic system working as intended. If I get off the hamster wheel to β€œriot,” my family quickly loses basic necessities.

Once my best alternative to a negotiated resolution moves off that reality (meaning keep my head down and my family will get through this) more options become available. The system is designed to keep a critical majority on the wheel.

[–] SDK@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

This is exactly the reason these Natalists are β€œpro-forced-birth”. Childless adults are a threat because they don’t have to think about their minor dependents before revolting. They want everyone tied down with families so we can’t even consider getting off the wheel.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There was a lot more demonstrations and outrage during Trump's first term. I think now everyone is just exhausted and over it. Dems got beaten pretty bad in the election, and are probably very demoralized after this outcome. Maybe it will add up to a landslide in the next senate/congress election, maybe not.

[–] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

They weren’t beaten badly, it was barely a 1.5% margin. Electoral votes….different story. But even then, this illustrates that a few more votes in key states would have had a drastically different outcome.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think they mean "beaten badly" as in "lost control of all three branches of government" not so much "Trump landslide vote."

The person you responded to even said "Dems got beaten pretty bad" not "Harris got beaten pretty bad."

By the metric of losing the house, losing the senate, losing the judiciary, and losing the presidency is a pretty deep blow.

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[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok, you're right in this sense. However, I meant beaten badly in the sense of expectations vs. reality. If you followed any media, it was supposed to be a slight edge for Kamala, or at least a good chance for an upset. In the end the R's got president, senate and congress. And the outcome was clear after the first few hours, unlike something like Gore vs. Bush.

[–] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 week ago

I agree. I certainly felt the outcome was going to be much different.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats still beaten badly. The election is entirely about winning electoral votes, and the dems failed that. They didn't win votes in the right places and lost votes compared to the last election.

The entire presidential election campaign is always about winning electoral votes and that means winning votes in swing states.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I find this line of thinking so defeatist. Yes, we all know the electoral college is the system, but all also know it's a sham and almost every honest person hates it because it undermines the idea of democracy. Imo the day people stop thinking the popular vote is what should count is the day we all collectively gave up on democracy.

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[–] Toribor@corndog.social 9 points 1 week ago

Maybe next time they'll lose by even less! That's about the best progress I can hope for in this country in my lifetime.

Definitely. This is what beaten badly looks like:

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

There were more variables than just Trump.

COVID and all the conditions it created.

Depends on how badly he fucks up the country.

We won't get legit progressive reform until there is another depression or world war.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

You've asked two different questions.

  1. Why don't the democratic voters actually riot
  • First, riots are illegal. I think you mean protest.
  • Protest what? He was just elected president. A bit more than the majority of the electorate made this choice so we all have to deal with it. It's called democracy.
  • He ran a relatively transparent campaign. So far, all he's done is sign executive orders we all knew he was going to do. A majority of Americans voted for these actions.
  1. Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?
  • Why aren't they calling his nazi salute a nazi solute? Fear.
  • I read an article saying Jon Stewart was the only one the mentioned Musk's salute. I watched the segment and, while he did mention it, he did not call it a nazi salute. He tried to, in Jon's funny way, make an excuse for what he was doing.
  • I suspect there are legal reasons for not calling this a nazi salute. Likely defamation.
  • There's also people / organizations (like the ADL) who, for whatever reason, need to be kept in the good grace's of these powerful people or who need to maintain their seat at one table or another.
[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Protest what?

Didn't stop Republicans on Jan 6. The truth seems to be that one side is willing to do anything to gain power, and the other is unwilling to do anything to keep it.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I don't think there's any contradiction there, though. The Dems aren't rioting because they accept legitimate outcomes, while the Republicans are only accepting favorable outcomes. No one is rioting right now because the Dems accept Trump's win as legitimate and the Republicans accept it as favorable.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

First, riots are illegal.

Only if you lose. Get your man in power by any means necessary and he will pardon you.

Protest what? He was just elected president.

Trump losing in 2020 was the only reason needed for a riot.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every single part of this comment just screams "It just wouldn't be proper!"

And I'm sorry, but I can't seem to care about what's "proper" when half my friends now have reasonable fear for their lives, not just "comfort of living" just because they are lgbtq+ living in deep red country.

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[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because for many people, political unrest is the problem they're trying to avoid, and their problem with the new administration is that it is a catalyst for unrest.

Someone mad that our 45/7th President upsets the applecart isn't going to go flip an applecart themselves in protest.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

British and France tried to appease Hitler for peace sake too during ww2, and look where it got them. You shouldn't sacrifice freedom and rights for peace

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's happening.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

peace without justice isn't peace. justice without peace isn't justice.

appeasement doesn't work because you attempt to trade justice for peace, but that just erodes your peace. the justice system claims to provide us justice, but violence is sown all throughout it, meaning it cannot give us justice as true justice is restoration from this system

[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A lot of people are pretty pissed at the dems for not doing enough too. They're so obsessed with being a party for everyone that they've become a party for no one, theres a huge divide between what people want and what they're doing. They need to unify, organize and take some stances even if it pisses some people off. I think a lot of people are just demoralized and "politically homeless" as in they just don't identify with either party so what is the point? What would be cool is if a bunch of randoms ran third party on their own ideas and formed a coalition but good luck with that

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because rules and decorum are what "good people" think is most important to protect rather than people and actual morals.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Funny thing about most leftist activist groups is they won't take a hard stance because they are afraid it will dry up the money spigot by 'looking bad'.

And of course the virtue signalling and purity tests that inevitable result in them become taking fascist stances towards groups they don't like.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

To what end? People were warned. People lived through 4 years of this. People remember the shortages and inept handling og COVID. People voted for this.

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If you can't even get people to care enough to lift a pen and mark a ballot (or press a button on some machine), how do you get people to riot?

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nearly 78 million people voted for this, and another 90 million stayed home and said they didn't care.

The whole point of democracy is to allow everyone to express their opinions through votes instead of violence. So either the election was rigged or the country wanted fascism.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because liberals are cowards.

That's the real answer.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Would rioting actually make anything better? Seems like people have more to lose by rioting than they do by posting a mean tweet

[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree, people disagree, seriously, I don't care about the tweering stuff, but, say I gather 20-50 people and hold a demonstration at what, city hall? State Capitol? My local, and stae government wont change. So what am I supposed to do? go to a republican state and cause aimless mayhem? Am I supposed to take a semester off from college and work with the funds I do not have to travel to D.C. and what call for him to step down? His impeachment? Better accountability? He wont, his party wont.

What's needed is not a protests, not a demonstration, not even a riot could seemingly change this. Realistically it would need to be a revolution. and Realistically people living paycheck to paycheck are not highly motivated to throw away thier life so they can risk thier life to start a "revolution"

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Food is quickly becoming out of reach of many Americans. The conditions are becoming ripe for revolution. It's no surprise cop cities are popping up all over the country.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

Cause they're spineless

Deomcrats have the center while republicans have the far right and to more than half a degree the far left (granted the more than are the true crazies who are so far left they go right and then the fifty is just the virtual effect of if I can't have far left I will accept far right over center). The center wants a functioning government that runs by the rules set down by the consitution. Unlike some on the right who feels the constitution is frozen at the way society was at its birth the center looks for change by using the mechanisms of change put into the government. So many will protest but rightly view rioting as just hurting the common man. Musk and friends don't live in neighborhoods that have ever been burned down by a riot. Its never even reached their gates. This is why luigi had such broad appeal. It was an action that did not hurt any innocents.

[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think another point is hope, even if people start large protests, riots, etc. What can it achieve, who will achieve it? Short of a full revolution, will anything have an effect?

Trump wont step down even if the country is alight, with republicans in power in senate they wont impeach or muzzle trump.

Any sort of protests needs ro have a goal, something you can imagine it will achieve. If you cant picture anything postive coming from it, why would you want to?

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

This is it for me. I just don't see an outcome where politicians respond to protests in any way other than doubling down and arresting them.

because the police has army grade weapons and vehicles and will wreck dissidents like its Tien An Men 2.0

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