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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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I don't expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I'm just being conspiratorial, but here goes:

I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)

one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:

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the reason I put down was 'trolling about neopronouns' I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.

Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for 'trolling'. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.

The .world thread in question (link)

I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:

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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you're welcome to disagree with.

I don't view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they're on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I'm not trolling.

People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.

I don't have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.

Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.

Just something else I found recently

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago

Oh that is interesting information, thank you!

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago

Oh that would explain a lot lol

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I used to think neo-pronouns are kinda silly, and I guess I still kinda do. But there's no skin off my back to address people in a way that they don't find hurtful. If people tell me my actions are hurtful to them, I try and take them at face value so long as doing so wouldn't be hurtful to others or myself. Seems like basic conscientiousness to me.

PTB. You did nothing wrong here.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

My beef with neo pronouns is they are used in such a way to weaponize the “political correctness” attitude of some liberal communities

Drag is a good example because they’re a blatant troll, and pretty blatantly try to get anyone who disagrees with them about anything banned for being “transphobic”

Like it’s an obvious bit, it makes the mods and admins look like fools. Drag got banned from hexbear AND .ml for this behavior.

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[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

This is the correct answer.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah. Why voluntarily get the worst part of reddit moderation?

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.

But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago

Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.

That stuff was wild

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 week ago

PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was the one that submitted the ban, after a number of reports. On the face of it (I am at work, so don't always have time to deep dive), The reports did seem to align with trolling.

I had/have no idea what's going on withe the Jordan Lund thing.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For what it's worth I thought I was being respectful in my dissent, I was even keeping my comments to the one thread and not attempting to insult anyone. I'm entirely open to this just being coincidence.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fair point. I'll restore the comments and remove the ban

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

thank you! sorry to raise a stink, I appreciate the quick response!

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

Caught me on my lunch break, and this is a community I love lurking in.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago
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[–] WrittenInRed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago (22 children)

I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (31 children)

.world thinks if you give reasoned arguments, reputable sources, and have a logical criticism of a liberal, you're actually just a Russian bot, China shill, trump stan, or whatever it is this week.

Being morally consistent is a negative to them and must be punished.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everybody is the good guy in their own story.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.

My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.

So either:

A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.

While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.

So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, further looking and it's almost certainly B. I think people like to ascribe ill-intent when they just knee-jerk to disagreement. "Trolling" here was absolutely the wrong choice of verbiage.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Yeah that tracks. Jordan's one of the worst mods on here.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I know Matt Walsh is a complete and utter tool, but what was the video Jordan linked (url doesn’t work when I copy it)? Just wondering about the context. I do think drag is probably a troll, but I understand Ada’s position and I don’t think there’s a point to arguing over it anymore, especially whilst on blahaj.

I don’t find your comments in news to be trolling at all.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Here’s the YouTube video that was linked. Essentially another person using neopronouns in a similar manner followed by Walsh failing to find the grammar to articulate a snarky comment about grammar.

https://youtube.com/shorts/_ymEiWyyl4A

OP’s link doesn’t work for me either so I copied it from the screenshot. My phone also had trouble copying from the screenshot since it read the lowercase L “l” as a vertical bar “|”.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Really unsurprising considering it involved Israel. News mods usually bend over backwards like the r/worldnews to remove anything slightly critical. Especially when it's calling out hasbara

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[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 23 points 1 week ago

If we're assuming it was a retaliation ban- The powers that be at lemmy.world would be wise to nip this type of thing in the bud now and replace those actively working to deceive and lash out at others from their team.

Eventually people will stop giving the owners/admins the benefit of the doubt when controversial things like this happen. What happens then? The time/money/resources are being thrown away to enable a few people's egos and eventually the users will tire of it and abandon ship. It seems like we're drawing closer to that every day.

One way or another the true colors will always come out. Interesting times ahead.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You shouldn’t judge an entire group of people, by the tag on their names.

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah jordanlund do be doing that.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 14 points 1 week ago

Jordanlund is petty lil bitch so this checks out purely from trust me bro angle << debunked

But at the same time, if y'all are banning each other, y'all kinda deserve each other.

Matt walsh is feces tho, no doubt.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 13 points 1 week ago

PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For anyone wanting help finding the original entry in the modlog - bc it is currently not in either lemmy.ml or lemmy.world - here it is in lemmy.blahaj.zone. I haven't delved into the rest but wanted to say damn it's annoying when moderation activities don't federate:-(.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm beginning to think that .world should be avoided. Not defederated, but mirror subs should be started on other instances and everyone who doesn't like this attitude / activity should deliberately boycott .world subs in favor of the alternatives.

Somewhat of an aside, I think this sort of behavior is far worse than what got everybody up in arms about Hexbear. I never disliked Hexbears; I see them as a tight-knit community that existed for multiple years before the Lemmy influx from the old site. I think they genuinely felt despair over the changes that federation brought to their instance and I feel sorry for them. Maybe if people make enough noise about the bad behavior of .world mods we can raise awareness and effect change.

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