I didn't make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
I didn't even say anything about the 'strawman' I just said that "ban you for speaking too loudly" was bad
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I find that that's usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It's also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it's why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that's as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that "community", I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn't go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
The US is authoritarian in the form of inverted totalitarianism.
We don’t live under the dictatorship of the US government as would be traditional authoritarianism, we live under the dictatorship of capital which effectively owns the US government and controls the population by force.
You shouldn’t of gotten banned for that but at the same time mods have the right to protect their communities from people who argue in bad faith and given this is the internet it’s safe to assume bad faith. (Even if you weren’t)
Edit: it’s interesting that myself and a bunch of other queers have a very different opinion on what authoritarianism looks like compared to the average (straight male). I bet our life experience has nothing to do with it and we’re all just over sensitive whiners 🙄
Edit 2: I fucking hate liberals. Bunch a brainwashed la la land dwellers. China bad! USA good! 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (nobody mentioned China but glad it lives rent free in your head)
Bad faith....
Ok so then this is in bad faith, and so is the above. Guess we all get bans in order to "protect" communities from checks notes differing opinions.
You don’t have the right to be in spaces that aren’t yours. You’re a guest. If they don’t like what you’ve got to say for whatever reason they have the right to ask you to leave. I’m not on world because they’re a bunch of liberals with barely two brain cells clicking together between the lot of them.
no, I've got a right to free speach and if I dare think your holy communist china is actually a very shitty and authoritarian nation, I should be able to say so politely
Uh I don’t give a fuck about China, although looking at their quality of life vs that of the US there’s something going very wrong in the US.
I’m an anarchist. Both countries are authoritarian to me.
> Both countries are authoritarian to me.
lmao, explain to me please how any state can be not authoritarian
I do give a fuck about china tho, since it's even worse than the us imo and people on lemmy try to glorify it constantly
I’m an anarchist. Both countries are authoritarian to me.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. China for all its faults doesn’t have military bases by the hundreds around the world, doesn’t invade other countries to force adherence to its petrodollar, and has an incredibly obvious higher standard of living for the average Chinese person compared to the average American. Is the average Chinese person rationing their diabetes medication?
Seems like all comments here are "whatabout communism"
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren't perfect, but we definitely aren't an authoritarian state either
We have an Israel first rulership. Every politician pledges allegiance to Israel. Tik Tok ban is because it is not zionist media, and the theory that young people are opposed to genocide is because they use tik tok, even through IDF gloating videos promoting their attrocities are on Twitter too, as are muslim disapprovals of genocide.
You have zero freedom/power to stop your theft of war support of Israel or against Russia, Canada, Greenland, Panama or Europe. Or stopping your nuclear incineration. Citizen's united means only rich people speech counts. Congressional bills in congress will outlaw criticism of zionism/Israel. That you are currently permitted to have sex with people you choose is against the Christofascist agenda that will be pandered to in next 2-4 years. But it is the predetermination of democratic outcomes for the most favourable to Israel, war, oil, and the extreme corruption of by the oligarchy for the oligarchy rule, that makes the US more authoritarian than governments that simply contains divisive distractions, while defending and advancing the country's needs. "Democracy and Freedom" is complete BS used to warmonger those accused of being less liberal than apartheid ethnostate Israel.
You+state approved media have the freedom to say US is not authoritarian, while I'm still allowed to explain reality. But neither of our opinions has any relevance whatsoever on our oppression.
So you're anti-Semitic...got it, explains everything
Anti-zionism is not Antisemitism. Your conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic.
Zionism is anti-Semitic at it's core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally.
Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it's inception as a colonialist movement.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
Israel wouldn't be attacking Palestine if Palestine hadn't attacked first.
What was the capital of Israel in 1896?
2 can play that game, it really isn't productive. Where was Israel located in 900BCE?
Ok. What was the capital of Israel in 1947? Where was Israel located in 1947? Was there a country called "Israel" in 1947? Was there a country called "Palestine" in 1947?
There is no getting around the fact that Israel is a settler colonial state. It is stealing land exactly like the United States did to the indigenous people of North America.
But you don't care. You're firmly in the fascist camp, so there's no reasoning with you.
I get the ironic angle of the mod being "authoritarian" but that's their space and if they decide they don't want to deal with trolls arguing about they can ban people.
Just like trans communities can and should ban people who just want to argue about if trans people are real. If you try to argue against it you're just being a dick and distracting from the point of the community.
If the point of a community is spreading misinformation, you have a moral obligation to distract from the point of the community
Are you suggesting America isn't authoritarian?
I'll bite, compared to Russia or China, the U.S. is not an authoritarian state.
Do you think it is?
They have a larger prison population then any other country and spend more on military than the next several countries combined
at least the us doesn't have concentration camps ig
The US only has forced labor programs in dangerous work conditions
don't know about the dangerous work conditions, but the existance of private prisons scares me enough
They're currently putting out the California fire, you cant get much more dangerous
US prisons are not far off what with the forced labor and high death rates.
To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
Yes.
You're not wrong though. While it might be possible to do in theory people are not that nice or kind, you'll never get everyone to share what they have and not own or try to possess things without an authoritarian government forcing it. Maybe in a more ideal world you could achieve it but that's not the world we live in.
"Gommunism is when everyone share everything"
Communism is an ideology that states that the means of production should belong to the working class, nowhere do the principles of communism deny the ownership of personal property. Look at home ownership rates and see which countries have the highest (China, post-soviet republics), and the lowest (Germany, US) rates
The US is an authoritarian state
Not yet.
Always has been.
Daddy uses lube tho
fascist attempts to spread liberal fascist US state dept propaganda that has been debunked thousands of times over
cries about muh freeze peach when told to stop spreading misinformation
Yeah go back to .world, bud