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Have you guys tried banning usage of phones? Like literally just that? Having a phone im your pocket is one thing, but not being allowed to use it except for X is an option. X= a room, a special time or "just to look up school schedule info"
This works...it doesn't have to work 100%, eveb 80% is enough.
Easy compromise here… ban smart phones, not cell phones.
Snake will rise again
In a universe where my kids are getting kevlar backpacks, you will never see me agree to this.
I will put a new burner phone in their lunch daily if it comes to it.
Are you a Bell 412 or a McDonnell Douglas MD500?
Nah, they can do whatever with the phone otherwise. But we literally have shooter drills and lockdowns on the regular because we can't figure out guns like literally every other civilized nation on earth.
Not sending them into that scenario with nothing but good graces and the hope that the police don't just camp outside the building again.
Probably more economical to buy the kid a tub of lube and teach them to keister it at that point :D
Seriously though, I fully agree. Even here in Europe, there’s always ‘something’ that can happen. And I’d want a direct line to my kid just in case.
Me, going on 48: “they let kids have cellphones in school?”
In general I think cell phones in school are a bad plan.
In America when violent terrorists are going to be emboldened by Trump? And after Uvalde? I'd tell my kid fuck the rules, you keep your cell phone on you at all times.
Wait for it in .. 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. say it with me .. "but who will think of the children" .. when inevitably there's yet another school shooting and they can't call 911?
It's pretty fucked up that there's a society on this Earth where school shootings are "expected" and that's the reason why you cannot remove mobile phones from the student body.
The question is, how many dead students is it going to take for this phone ban to be reversed?
I really am grateful that I am not forced to make those choices living on the other side of the planet.
Uh it's been shown countless times that the powers that be don't give a shit about children's safety in school shootings. Only thoughts and prayers.
There is like 1 school shooting per decade in Germany.
Every single school has these buttons scattered around hallways:
Couldn't US schools just put those alarms next to fire alarms? It's faster to hit a button anyways + teachers will be automatically notified with an announcement to lock the doors until further notice. No phones required.
Different culture here:
I see these being abused by pranksters. Also, that requires you to go outside of the classroom in a crisis where the gunman is typically roaming the halls.
I see these being abused by pranksters
That can happen occasionally. But if you explain to the children why it's important to not abuse this one button, it will hopefully reduce the number.
That requires you to go outside of the classroom in a crisis where the gunman is typically roaming the halls
You'd only really know there is a crisis when you hear shots being fired regardless. People in the hallways already - be it teachers or students - would also be able to hear the shots and press the button. And in case nobody is in the hallways, teachers inside class rooms can call 911 anyways since a phone ban doesn't extend to them.
You could install a button in each classroom if you want to 100% avoid your scenario.
But if you explain to the children why it's important to not abuse this one button, it will hopefully reduce the number.
I had actual bomb threats called in to my high school weekly for such reasons as "I didn't want to take my math test". I can guarantee with certainty this button would be constantly abused in American schools.
Could US schools have these? Yes. Do the politicians and police in charge care enough? Fuck no.
I don't know how other schools/districts are handling this issue, but in my kids' high school they have plastic storage bins in every classroom. Some classes have one big bin by the door. Others have multiple smaller bins at each group table. When the kids enter the room, they are expected to put their phone in the bin and leave it there until the end class. The bins aren't locked or put anywhere they can't be reached in an emergency.
From everything I've heard from both teachers and students, this new policy is working wonders to increase student engagement and interaction. I honestly don't see any downsides. The only people I've seen complaining are helicopter parents who are upset that they can't get ahold of their kid at any moment of the day.
How do the chartreuse states feel about it?
I'm not sure where I land on this debate.
What I am sure of is that most teachers would still have cell phones, so the idea that kids couldn't make a call to emergency services doesn't seem relevant. I'm sure a call from any teacher or other employee would be just as effective. Claiming kids need phones so that they can call 911 in an emergency isn't relevant.
The fact that we have to discuss whether or not kids need to have phones available during school because of school shootings -- that's the truly insane part. I'm no longer convinced that any body count would produce effective "well regulated" gun control in the US.
Claiming kids need phones so that they can call 911 in an emergency isn’t relevant.
No, it's definitely relevant when we keep hearing that the first calls from several of these attacks have been from students.
I mean it's pretty simple common sense there... in a shooting.. shits happening fast. In an emergency the order of process is, get yourself somewhere safe ASAP, Then consider calling.
Teachers have much harder responsibility... because they need to get their students in as safe of a position as possible, then themselves... Then try to contact help. So teachers aren't likely to be in a position of relative safety to call, until after the whole classroom has already been in such a position.
On top of that just numbers... obviously there's 30x more students than teachers... so just on a numbers basis in a free for all, when someone is in a position to make the emergency call, it's just statistically more likely to be a student.
Seeing the unaddressed issue of bullying to class interruption if not cheating, dumb phones like the blackberry type should be allowed aka ban smartphones and not cellphones.
I was a teacher for a few years but tapped out and got back into the real world. My partner is a teacher. My ex is a tutor and former teacher.
Based on those experiences - cellphones are a menace. They always were, and always will be. Technology in the classroom should rarely be in the hands of students, and if it is in their hands, it should be made such that it cannot access the internet or anything non-educational. That's an absolute.
More importantly, we need parents to enforce these rules as moral bases. We shouldn't be distracting babies with screens when they're yelling and screaming. We shouldn't be letting kids have 'screen time' without clear supervision or with any form of internet content. We need parents who actually do the job, because as we become more reliant on technology it's gone from the TV Babysitter to the TV Parent to the Internet Parent. That's no way to live, to be educated, or to understand the world around you.
These statewide and district-wide bans and solutions are important. But what I think would be more important would be for there to be fines. Take it easy on the kid, but any time they're distracted by their phone or other electronic device, that's a $100 ticket issued to the parents. Misuse of school property?$500 ticket, and a bill for the cost of the device since it potentially has to be scrapped. I bet that if we did that, parents would send far, far fewer phones to school and make sure the kids only use school computers for school.
And this right here is how you convince people to home-school after the first few fines.
That keeps the real troublemakers out of the classroom, and reduces the student:teacher ratio. I'm honestly struggling to see anything resembling a downside here.
Yeah, because we don't have enough socioeconomic inequalities in the world, let's create more borderline (or outright) illiterate people.
I don't know where you are in the USA, but in my area, home-school kids are tested the same as the kids in the classrooms, and if they fail, they're put back in a remedial classroom.
Kids should be allowed to have cell phones so they can learn good habits and self control with them.
No, it should be illegal for kids to have phones until they're 21. High schoolers should be getting fake IDs to buy phones and then binge on social media when their parents are out of town.
What? That's crazy talk. Schools are clearly only for warehousing kids in the most orderly manner possible. We let life punch them in the face the second they graduate, it's the American way.