this post was submitted on 24 Nov 2024
333 points (96.6% liked)

World News

39142 readers
2669 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Summary

Israeli settlers in the West Bank, emboldened by Trump’s return and a far-right Israeli government, are pushing for formal sovereignty over the territory.

Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.

While settlers see this as fulfilling Biblical claims, Palestinians view it as erasing hopes for a future state.

Critics warn annexation could jeopardize regional stability and U.S.-brokered normalization efforts, such as those with Saudi Arabia.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 days ago

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

If you think this is new and is only happening because of Trump, you haven't been paying attention and are falling for propaganda.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 94 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We did it, Patrick! We saved Palestine!

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yay, no more genocide! I knew both sides were the same.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Technically, a successful genocide stops. If the goal was specifically that the genocide would end more quickly, then I suppose they got what they wanted.

Easy to end war forever. Just nuke everyone.

🤓

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Sorry, I'm hard of hearing. I think you asked for extra genocide? That’s our new chef’s speciality!

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Yes I'm sure the 4 settlers Biden sanctioned for 3 weeks, definitely threw a wrench into Israel's plan of overtaking the west bank.

It'll totally be because Trump takes office and not because settlers didn't just get 14 months of free land grabbing with zero repercussions on top of their yearly land stealing antics ever since Israel's inception.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Good thing we didn't vote for those democratic genocidists

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“I don’t want basic Genocide, I want to evolve to stage 2 Genocidonite”

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.

So I guess this isn't worse?

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 days ago (16 children)

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

This is nothing new, it's just a next step that would have been taken regardless.

load more comments (16 replies)
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

i don't understand that crowd at all. how do you look at kamala's promise to stay the course, and donald trumps promise to send even more aid, and not understand it is possible to send more. there is not a ceiling to more. our military industrial complexeis very capable of delivering more.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

and donald trumps promise to send even more aid

"Aid"? Why frame it as Trump promising "aid" like it's a positive? To be clear, the "aid" you're referring to here, is weapons and munitions being used to murder civilians.

Really weird way to frame it.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

i don't think it's positive. i think it's horrible. we're assisting in mass torture. but i don't have a better synonym to insert there. i'm open to a better word because words matter

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Instead of genocide, we now have genocide 2: Electric Boogaloo

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (16 replies)
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago

Cool, so we can finally dispose the myth of Israel being a democracy, get over chasing the chimera of a two state solution, and crystallize the struggle to the simple, unambiguous goal of ending Jewish supremacy and the apartheid and establishing a democratic republic with equality and rights for everyone from the river to the sea. Cool.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Revive" suggests that this goal was ever dead. Israel has been progressively seizing Palestinian land in the West Bank for half a century.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

they're communicating something about their timeframe… they're announcing they're about to accelerate again…

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This thread is full of people who are clearly struggling with the consequences of their actions (their vote, and pushing a false narrative that Harris would be just as bad), and they are coming up with all sorts of creative ways to absolve themselves and relieve their guilt.

It seems like many have settled on "genocide can't get worse, it can only speed up or slow down, but the end result is the same" without realizing that the distinction is meaningless. A genocide speeding up is the genocide getting worse.

Bad news for those people: it's just going to get so much worse.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A whole lot of coping in this thread by people who were previously doing a lot of work trying to get Trump elected...

"Nuh uh, Netanyahu said this before and he was going to do it anyway!"

I would say that I worry about their mental health, but fuck them.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They have literally been actively doing this over the course of the genocide.

You're literally making fun of people for actually paying attention to whats happening.

Fucking libs man I swear.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The smug liberal leans back in his chair.

"That will show them for not voting properly. If only they had voted. I did my one and only civic duty of voting, and it was for the less bad candidate. They're too busy marching and protesting and organizing to see that the only thing we can all do is vote. If only they voted properly."

[–] Tarzan9192@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It's a fact that Trump will hurt their cause more than Kamala. Protest all you want. But also vote for whatever may help your cause. I don't understand why people don't understand this.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because utilitarian ethics isn't the be and end all of moral decision making? Elections are just as much about holding people accountable as they are about choosing the utilitarian optimal future policy path.

It is crucial to remember that most of history's greatest atrocities were justified on utilitarian grounds - the greatest good for the greatest many. That's how eugenics was justified. That's how the crimes of the Nazis were justified. That's how the Tuskegee Experiment was justified. And it's how powerful men get away with being sexual predators. ("Yes, he may be a monster, but he's doing important work...")

Utilitarian decision making has its place. But at some point you also have to hold people accountable. And that's what you've missed. Remember, this is the only shot the voters ever got at holding Biden/Kamala responsible for their actions. This is literally the only way we as citizens have of directly holding these people accountable. Protests have their place, but voting is all we get in terms of direct accountability.

What is the point that you would stop using utilitarian ethics and start holding leaders accountable? What crime would be so bad that you wouldn't vote for a leader if you thought their overall policies would be superior to their opponent? Where do you personally draw the line? Because if you have no line...well God help you. Because you are already lost.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

While I sympathize with the goal of wanting to hold people accountable, it is the simple fact of the matter that Republicans were THE alternative. This was the wrong decision in this case

-cold utilitarian

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Revive? When was it dead exactly? They seemed to be going Full Tilt for the last couple years. Nothing was stopping them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I think we'll all find out exactly what they mean in a couple months.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The “I did this” sticker is getting pretty wide what with Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Xi, and the American voter all on it.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Seems like the point, no? Diffuse the responsibility such that the worst atrocities are "everyone's fault".

Kinda reminds me of climate change inaction

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Israeli settlers never killed the idea.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 2 days ago
load more comments
view more: next ›