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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 140 points 5 days ago (4 children)

wow. kudos for being the "now that it's too late to have an impact, i'm going to do the thing i should have done many months ago" president

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 112 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Long range missiles can have a lot of impact in a short time.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

all the more reason this (among other things) should have happened many months ago

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 74 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but now is better than never.

God knows Trump wouldn’t authorize it.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

you're right. i'm just salty because we live in a fascist dictatorship now

we're basically russia. could biden have even done anything? i don't even know

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (8 children)

As long as we draw breath it ain’t over.

Get out there and organize.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Not exactly russia.

I know 2nd trump term is terrifying, I'm not denying that this will be worse than his first term, but the difference is that the US has the separation of powers between the states and the federal government. The check and balance within the federal government is gone, but we still have this final line of defence, that is federalism. States can resist tyranny of the federal government, if they have the willingness to do so. Remember, that states run elections, swing states do not all have a republican trifecta. And even in republican trifecta states, there is still the state judiciary, and we might still have some of those non-magas republicans like Raffensperger.

The election in 2026 will likely be less free and fair than 2024, but with a large enough democratic margin of victory, democrats can still take back the house, maybe senate.

Maybe I'm in denial, but I consider this view to be optimism. I thought people like Raffensperger would just cave in and do whatever trump wanted but they didn't.

Don't give up hope. We'll soon see if federalism really works, if states would find the will to resist a tyrannical federal government.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 81 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Now give them a thousand tomahawks and the location of every single Putin palace.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Too late.

Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.

Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.

Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.

But, Americans aren't wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.

They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.

Thks isn't just on the people that didn't show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.

At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago

Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.

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[–] credo@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:

President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.

The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.

President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.

My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The other side of this is that once it's allowed, Trump would have to take it away.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.

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[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Kill those Russians. Target the North Korean troops.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

Generally they do it themselves, and then you loose

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

While they won't be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can't be guaranteed.

Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They've had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

Better late than never, I guess.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –

You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).

There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's obviously no logic whatsoever in allowing Russia to attack Ukraine freely from within its own borders while Ukraine is allowed to only defend inside its own borders. And Russia even thinks Crimea is part of Russia by some fucked up kindergarten bully logic.

No war ever in the history of mankind has followed such logic and neither does this one. If Russia threatens the use of nuclear weapons, then it is doing that without any sensible reason and it might have just as well done that without any war going on anywhere.

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