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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a "blank check" in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.

Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu's aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.

Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.

He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to "capitulate" to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 220 points 2 weeks ago (75 children)

Congratulations, idealists. You definitely stopped the genocide by refusing to vote for Harris and urging others to do likewise. A+ job.

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh he'll help end the genocide alright. You can't genocide a people that's already wiped off the planet.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 62 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

ukraine is gonna get 'helped' similarly. putin will have a free pass once the u.s. aid stops. i don't think the other nato countries or the e.u. can cover that, especially long-term.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope as soon as US aid stops, they launch everything they have at major Russian cities.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

right? they're holding back for conditional western aid. as soon as the aid ends those conditions mean nothing.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I truly cannot grasp how uninformed one has to be to claim to be for Palestinians but think helping Trump's odds was strategically better. Such profound ignorance is on par with maga, themselves.

On another note I want absolutely nothing to do with Mehdi Hasan. I supported him for quite some time but he got tunnel vision to such a degree he ended up thinking completely irrationally and contributing to the problem. He's venturing into Jill Stein territory for me.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"They" weren't persons holding "real" opinions, I'm afraid. Just as the russians calling for "russophobia" 2 months prior to the special genocidal operation

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 91 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (15 children)

Waiiiiit, are you saying that not voting Kamala didn't magically stop the genocide in Gaza?????

That it only accelerates it, like I and other people have been saying for months????

WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?!

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[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Trump voters: "Trump is the most peaceful president ever. We need to bring the defence spending to Ukraine home. America first".

Trump is elected and inevitably drags the US into yet another war in in the Middle East

Trump voters: Pikachu face

Nah. Just kidding about that last part. It was all just empty rhetoric to justify the grift and looting all the way down as the country burns to the ground in the background.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Whew! Good thing the moral purity brigade shunned Kamala Harris.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't you know trump will stop the genocide....by writing a check so large that Israel completely removes Palestinians from the map... can't have a genocide of Palestinians if there are no more Palestinians.

Check mate libruls

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I mean, Trump will definitly ensure that the suffering of Palestenian people ends quickly

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 47 points 1 week ago (14 children)

But thank God we saved Palestine from the evil black lady right? /s

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"We stood up for our PRINCIPLES!!!"

-- screamed over the sound of brown people being exterminated

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I heard the "but there won't be any of these wars once Trump is back" argument several times.

I would usually revel in watching the walls come down around someone's stupid opinions, but in this case, we as a country have to suffer for it.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What is fucked is that no matter what happens. They will insist that it was all the Democrat's fault and all the fault of communists and socialists. They will be believed both despite the absurdity of it all and because of the absurdity of it.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (45 children)

in reality it was the 20 million voters that abstained from voting this election.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

May the people in this sub who screeched Genocide Joe and threatened Kamala over her continued support for Israel get the policies they voted for.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Take your bow single-issue voters and protest voters. We tried to warn you.

You did this.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah but GeNoCIdE JoE, etc.

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[–] rainynight65@feddit.org 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

That should put paid to the myth that Trump is 'the antidote to all the wars'.

I always thought that the argument 'no wars were started during his presidency' was bullshit.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

crazy to think that trump might do exactly what he said he was going to do. how could we, the voters, have predicted this?

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

At some point some people were even saying Harris is worse than the same. For your sanity, I only hope you don't have family in the Middle East.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Rashida Tlaib's district is a prime example of this, she kept her seat by a wide margin while Dems lost the state. They decided to ignore their voter base and suffered the consequences.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

It's pretty normal for people not to vote for someone genociding their family. It's her fault, not the voters. The same way Democrats threw away the votes of the left and Palestinians because they didn't care if they were being genocided is the same logic the right uses to vote for Trump for the economy despite all the damage he'll do to women and other minorities. You're all equally selfish and you don't have the moral high ground when you're supporting a genocide and quieting any dissent on it. People tried to say this could lose her the election, but nothing can be the politicians fault, of course, just the voters.

Anyway, turns out it wasn't the genocide anyway. She lost Michigan because of it probably but it didn't matter anywhere else, and she lost the election before it was even added. You can add up all the third party votes and it didn't amount to shit. It was the economy. It always is. People in fucking rural Pennsylvania haven't been reading hexbear posts or whatever. They just didn't buy what she was selling.

Or course, if it was the genocide, that just proves what the left was saying all along: she's got to do better on this issue or she can lose the election, and she'd rather lose than not do a genocide. Turned out she probably would've lost either way but still, hopefully the next Democrat candidate will do better, or we can supplant the party with a new one that can run an actual campaign. You can keep doing the bullying thing, but it didn't work this election, or in 2016, and it won't work next election either. Stop trying to convince the voters to care about what you want them to care about, and telling them not to care about what you don't care about, and time to meet them where they are.

[–] silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Don't worry there were no wars under Trump last time and there won't be this time it's that simple 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

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