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Despite US dominance in so many different areas of technology, we're sadly somewhat of a backwater when it comes to car headlamps. It's been this way for many decades, a result of restrictive federal vehicle regulations that get updated rarely. The latest lights to try to work their way through red tape and onto the road are active-matrix LED lamps, which can shape their beams to avoid blinding oncoming drivers.

From the 1960s, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards allowed for only sealed high- and low-beam headlamps, and as a result, automakers like Mercedes-Benz would sell cars with less capable lighting in North America than it offered to European customers.

A decade ago, this was still the case. In 2014, Audi tried unsuccessfully to bring its new laser high-beam technology to US roads. Developed in the racing crucible that is the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the laser lights illuminate much farther down the road than the high beams of the time, but in this case, the lighting tech had to satisfy both the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Food and Drug Administration, which has regulatory oversight for any laser products.

The good news is that by 2019, laser high beams were finally an available option on US roads, albeit once the power got turned down to reduce their range.

NHTSA's opposition to advanced lighting tech is not entirely misplaced. Obviously, being able to see far down the road at night is a good thing for a driver. On the other hand, being dazzled or blinded by the bright headlights of an approaching driver is categorically not a good thing. Nor is losing your night vision to the glare of a car (it's always a pickup) behind you with too-bright lights that fill your mirrors.

This is where active-matrix LED high beams come in, which use clusters of controllable LED pixels. Think of it like a more advanced version of the "auto high beam" function found on many newer cars, which uses a car's forward-looking sensors to know when to dim the lights and when to leave the high beams on.

Here, sensor data is used much more granularly. Instead of turning off the entire high beam, the car only turns off individual pixels, so the roadway is still illuminated, but a car a few hundred feet up the road won't be.

Rather than design entirely new headlight clusters for the US, most OEMs' solution was to offer the hardware here but disable the beam-shaping function—easy to do when it's just software. But in 2022, NHTSA relented—nine years after Toyota first asked the regulator to reconsider its stance.

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[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nobody wants it, they just want brighter lights for themselves to compensate for being blinded by the brighter lights of others, but actually to retaliate, nobody can have brighter brights than me!

We'd need regulations for this, which we'd never get, especially after the Chevron doctrine was reversed.

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This exactly. No one would want to pay for in Their vehicles because it doesn’t affect them and would cost extra. Need regulations for this to be implemented.

Also is this even a big safety risk? I understand it’s annoying but does it actually cause accidents?

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

I know it's the biggest annoyance I get on the road and the reason I try not to drive at night. And I live in Europe! When I drive at night in north America it's much worse.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's not at all clear to me that an actively-shaped beam, which can potentially improperly detect where light should be and blind drivers in that failure scenario, is preferable to simply placing restrictions on how high the light can be.

It'd permit for lights to extend further ahead down the road in some cases, but I have more of an issue with being blinded by headlamps -- sometimes non-stock, improperly-mounted ones -- than with not being able to see far enough down the road at night.

[–] jodanlime@midwest.social 0 points 1 week ago

It's because GM has deep pockets and doesn't want to pay one of their competitors a licensing fee to stay competitive.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nor is losing your night vision to the glare of a car (it's always a pickup) behind you with too-bright lights that fill your mirrors.

It really fucking is. Nothing is a bigger red flag to me than a pickup. 98% of pickup drivers are assholes.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My catchphrase when driving has become "It's always a fucking pickup"

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[–] ThePunnyMan@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm curious if the problem is how bright LED lights are or something else. I recently bought a car and it has an automatic brights option. Basically, it switched on the brights automatically for some situations. I turned it off because I felt it was turning them on when I didn't need them.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My auto bright feature barely ever turns them on for more than a couple of seconds since it seems to be triggered off by reflective signs. So on empty roads with signage I have to turn them on manually if I don't want them to flick to dim constantly.

Seems like tech that should be a lot more reliable by now, instead of the two of us having opposite experiences.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It depends entirely on how well the software handles the sensors and its basically completely different on every car afaik

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, but every manufacturer should have decades of practice by now. Whatever approach they took should be reliable by now.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Any company whose primary focus is not software always has shit for software.

I don't know if it's because manufacturing companies don't really care about it, or they feel they should cut corners everywhere they can, or what, but it seems to be a universal phenomenon.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I think it’s the cutoff. My Bronco LEDs don’t seem to bother people.

My stock Toyota 86 LEDs had an extreme cutoff between the area it lit up and where it didn’t. Even though it was lower to the ground and had a shorter throw, people would flash me all the time.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This could be really simple to achieve with polarisation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizer

A polarised filter on the headlight with an other one on the windshield. Reflected light would be non polarised, thus not filtered.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

I have my doubts about this being easy, since the other necessary function of headlights is being seen.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Can anyone explain this part to me, like I’m five?

From the 1960s, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards allowed for only sealed high- and low-beam headlamps, and as a result, automakers like Mercedes-Benz would sell cars with less capable lighting in North America than it offered to European customers.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sealed beam headlights are the whole thing, lens, reflector, bulb all in one assembly. You don’t replace the bulb with these, you replace the entire light. Think old cars/trucks when everything had standardized round glass headlights. Not unique designs per model.

Because Mercedes Benz couldn’t use their fancy euro headlights for cars in the US, they had to use the standardized sealed beam lights, which were not as powerful.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 1 week ago

Meaning it legally must be a sealed unit with only 2 states, high and low. In Europe and/or other places there may be multiple angle states and/or strip headlights or other stuff based on their specific regulations. The result is that the efficacy of US headlight systems have a hard upper bound for how effective they can be, based on what was practical to do in the 60s.

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[–] tilefan@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

because few people in this society spend money on something that makes other people's lives easier.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My problem is my state (MI) refuses to enact any kind of road worthy certification process. We have too many trucks and cars with illegal headlights and brake lights. I've seen green, blue, purple headlights (mostly modded jeeps) and taillights so tinted I couldn't see them stopping during the day. And lifted trucks that never reposition their lights so you are blinded no matter what you drive.

We get laws that stop the new tech of active dimming but at the same time we have lazy chicken shit cops that just let these distracting things that are already illegal just slide on by. Might as well buy an import with the good lights or import the parts and install them yourself.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We have too many trucks and cars with illegal headlights

considers

You know, thinking about it...we have traffic speed cameras that automatically detect speeding and issue fines.

It'd probably actually be pretty easy to have a sensor or series of sensors that just sit by a road and detect improperly-mounted headlights. You're just looking for a vehicle that's putting out too much light too high up.

You need some poles with light sensors at the appropriate height by the side of the road and a speeding-camera-style thing to grab the license plate. Maybe wait for a series of them to trip as a vehicle is coming down the road, to avoid false positives.

Actually, thinking about it...it'd be even easier than speeding cameras, because you aren't constrained to stick 'em where people are speeding. Can just put 'em at places like toll booths and such, where you already have someone stopping.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Or have the sensors mounted on the cop cars themselves. So driving by them can trigger an alert, it will give them the ability to confirm the readings or issue a fix it ticket that won't be an automatic fine unless the person is caught again. Shouldn't punish people that don't know their lights are illegal on the first offense.

[–] beerclue@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

While my car was being repaired after a crash, the insurance company gave me a rental to use for the duration. The rental company only had a Land Rover Evoque (or something), and that car had the fancy led matrix lights. It was amazing! You could actually see the light being "shaped" on the road in front, going around incoming traffic, it was constantly moving. To me it was a bit distracting though...

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd just go for a "feature" that disables the on/off function (leaving the momentary function alone) of the hi-beam when a sensor/s detects light above a certain luminosity. I also think an extra cost to the registration could be tacked on for vehicles that are lifted or otherwise have headlights above a certain height that would scale with the said height.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (12 children)

All you need is to have all car's lights be horizontally polarized and then all windshields have a vertical polarizer there I've fixed the problem.

Now basically the light would come out and only vertical polarizer light or scattered light would be accepted by everyone's windshields. If you've ever played with this setup on your own using a flashlight and polarizer shades, the color of almost all objects look so cool.

[–] notapantsday@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh that is such a cool idea! Wouldn't even need the whole windscreen to be polarized, polarized glasses for the driver should also work.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Thanks I found out about it accidentally looking for ways to control reflections on photos.

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, make sure that all reflectors are turning the polarisation by 90°

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[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

The ol' DMG Gameboy tech.

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[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

This, and the one facing the other side of the road needs to be angled lower than the other one, that's it.

[–] ZJBlank@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I fucking wish, we rarely get that here in North America. I had that on my old Mazda 3, and fucking loved it. I’d always keep them angled all the way down in the city with well-lit streets and only angle them up on the highway

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 1 week ago

That requires the driver to actually care

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[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Dont stare into the lights of oncoming traffic. I know it's bright and all but just dont stare directly at them at that'll solve 90% of the problem.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Oncoming drivers? I'm getting blasted by "cars" behind me. Fucking trucks or even lifted trucks with their headlights at my eye level. And it seems like lights are getting brighter as well, or people drive with their high beams on. My rearview mirror is auto dimming, which helps a lot. But since I drive the speed limit these trucks are swerving back and forth behind me, blinding me via the side mirrors.

Man we really really need restrictions on size and weight of cars. It's getting ridiculous out there.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

A driving factor is the US requirement to place low beams above (and outward) of high beams. Couple that with traditional design goals of "my eyes are up here" faces (see: not the juke), you get normal low beams blinding every car with lows higher than mirrors. Then couple that with the factory aiming the lights to the max heigh with an empty tank and no cargo and sending that off to the gen pop, which is clueless about the ability to aim them.

Ironically, the low/hi arrangement requirement went against the original RX350 headlight design. It caused the creation of one of the greatest dual-beam xenon projectors of all time because the original high beam location was noncompliant. It got used as a big DRL I believe. Those "rx350" projectors were very popular in the retrofit headlight community, a hobbyist group dedicated to improving lighting without blinding others

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

people actually drive with their high beams on 24/7 even on lighted roads and traffic. I was in an Uber recently and the driver did this. I already drive a relatively high riding SUV and I get blinded by those lifted trucks regularly. people are insane and only care about themselves

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[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Controversial, but auto-highbeams should never have existed. Turning on high beams should always be manually triggered by the driver.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Auto high beams have done a pretty OK job at detecting oncoming cars, in my experience. People blasting every fucking house in the neighborhood with high beams at 25mph, on the other hand, is where my ange lies. High beams are for high speed or aggressive slop change, not low speeds.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am fine using my high beams in neighborhoods because those damn kids come out of nowhere, and the high beams light up more of the road. Black out curtains if it bothers you imo.

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