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Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are veering sharply in how they gear up for Tuesday’s presidential debate, setting up a showdown that reflects not just two separate visions for the country but two politicians who approach big moments very differently.

The vice president is cloistered in a historic hotel in downtown Pittsburgh where she can focus on honing crisp two-minute answers, per the debate’s rules. She’s been working with aides since Thursday and chose a venue that allows the Democratic nominee the option of mingling with swing-state voters.

Trump, the Republican nominee, publicly dismisses the value of studying for the debate. The former president is choosing instead to fill his days with campaign-related events on the premise that he’ll know what he needs to do once he steps on the debate stage at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.

“You can go in with all the strategy you want but you have to sort of feel it out as the debate’s taking place,” he said during a town hall with Fox News host Sean Hannity.

Trump then quoted former boxing great Mike Tyson, who said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 105 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Kamala Harris will be spending a great deal of time both studying policy and practicing with seasoned opponents and people with a deep understanding of Trump's psychology.

Trump will argue with a cheeseburger.

[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Jesusaurus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump will argue with a cheeseburger

And will angrily eat it when it wins the argument

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[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kind of ironic that Donnie uses that particular Mike Tyson quote because he’s a whiny little bitch who is afraid of direct confrontation and has only ever punched women.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think Harris may be neglecting a key part of necessary prep. She should spend some time at the zoo outside the monkey enclosure dodging their flung shit, or I fear she might lose.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

It’s Pennsylvania, so they’re flinging batteries, but otherwise you’re right.

[–] CrayonMaster@midwest.social 56 points 2 months ago (21 children)

On one hand, my knee jerk reaction is to say debates don't really matter.

On the other hand, Biden literally dropped out over the last one.

[–] Oxymoron@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yeah kinda special case there though I think. But of course they matter to an extent. I think there’s trumps strong hardcore nutter fans who would rather have Putin govern them than Biden or Kamala (actually heard one of them say this on a YT video about Biden).

These people won’t be swayed away from him by anything, therefore debate is irrelevant for them.

Then there are also hardcore anti trump people, the only sensible position to have, frankly. That would be the category I fall into but I’m not American so irrelevant for me lol.

But yeah, for those people, whatever percentage that is the debate doesn’t really matter either.

Then there are some people who are hardcore republicans. Really don’t like Dems but also do kind care about trump being cray cray and maybe cancelling all future elections if he gets in. So these people might be swayed I guess? I dunno. As I’ve wrote this out, I’ve actually more or less come to the conclusion that there really shouldn’t be many people who the debate will change their mind on anything.

But there has to be some undecided but it’s a weird position that I can’t really understand so who knows if it will sway those people either way. Some of them I guess. Also the evidence for these charges against Trump are coming out in a week or so I think, whenever that happens, that’s not gonna be good for trump. That’s for sure. How bad it will affect him I can’t really say, but it’s certainty not gonna increase his support.

So I can only imagine it will thankfully DECREASE IT. Overall I think Trumps bitten off more than he can chew. With these charges and with him basically alienating half the population (women) over abortion, I’d like to THINK, the Dems have this in the bag. But fucking vote people!

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

71% of voters say that their mind is made up about Trump. 51% of voters said the same about Harris. There’s a lot of ground for Harris to gain.

[–] scaramobo@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At this point, as a non american, i just cannot comprehend at all why people would doubt on who to vote. Trump fanatics have made up their mind and will never vote Harris, I get that. If you dont like trump, there's only one other option and that's Harris, right?

But is there really a big group of people that actually STILL need to compare candidates and think "not so fast, that trump guy may have a point". What makes them think he is a sane choice? Are these people that voted biden, are disappointed in his presidency and now think "it was better under trump"?

It's not like European countries where you need to choose between like 10 different parties. If you dont like trump, you vote harris; simple as that, right? (Obviously not, so I really want to understand the dynamic in play here)

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 months ago (3 children)

“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”

Yes they do Donnie. I wonder if you'll remember that when you're laid out on the debate stage from the beatdown Kamala inflicts on your orange ass.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

He's into being spanked on the ass. Ask Stormy Daniels.

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[–] elgordino@fedia.io 40 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I hope Harris doesn’t over prepare, she does need to maintain a certain level of off the cuff affability.

Over preparation was Biden’s fatal error, he was struggling so hard to hit his talking points he couldn’t keep things straight. Obviously things are vastly different with Harris, but she’d be best to not just be a talking point machine.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That's the main reason I gave up on watching political debates years ago, because nothing ever gets directly answered. It's all fillers and boasting about past hurrahs and talking points.

If they just answered the fucking questions I'd be happy.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 18 points 2 months ago

Calling these things presidential "debates" is rich, indeed.

[–] smokinliver@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I totally see your point.

But with the switch from "when they go low,..." to "fuck it, we can hut below the belt even better", I gotta admit I am quite interested to see how she will handle a formal debate: Hammer phrases like everyone before or hitting hard and agile.

Idk, somehow I feel we might see something refreshing this time.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'll watch the highlights or something 'cause I can't stand Trump's voice, his meandering and the bullshit he spews. His mere existence just pisses me off to no end.

[–] smokinliver@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago
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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 18 points 2 months ago

Biden’s stutter leads him to greatly overprepare.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

well one advantage she has is that she's not legally dead.

also she seems to actually study things to understand them, not to parrot them by heart. being a prosecutor she probably knows how to study things and make cases.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So Trump's plan is to punch her in the face on live TV?
It's a bold move...

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If he does I would like the Secret Service let her punch him back just to see his orange surprised pikachu face.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

You know. That's actually an interesting hypothetical. How does the Secret Service react if two people with Secret Service protection try to fight each other? I imagine they would first protect whoever has the most seniority, as in the current serving president, then current vice president, etc. But what if say, two former presidents try to duke it out?

Or can the president waive Secret Service protection? Since the president has broad immunity for 'official acts', does this mean the president can now duel someone on the White House Lawn at dawn?

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They each have their own protection detail. Each will quickly move to protect the one they are responsible for, which will mean separating them (probably by a lot of distance).

Someone under SS protection can choose to waive it. There are some former presidents who deemed it unnecessary later in life.

No idea about the rest of your hypothetical

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[–] damniticant@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I imagine it would look something like NFL refs trying to breakup a fight.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

let_them_fight.jpg

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump pooped his pants at the last debate. Literally pooped his pants and there is audio evidence of it and no one cared.

He's going to spout off a bunch of dog whistle, nonsensical bullshit without answering a single question and his base will eat it up.

I ha e hope for Harris, but this debate will change nothing.

[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Found the clip. It could have just been a REALLY wet fart, but the fact that the lapel mic picked it up makes me think Biden DEFINITELY heard it.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Couldn't hear it. Quite disappointed. Can you give a time index so I can try again with headphones?

E: ok, I heard it. 🤮 0:14

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[–] flerp@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know you're supposed to confirm things for yourself but I'm very sensitive to audio and sounds have a tendency to stick in my brain. I'll take your word on that so that I don't have to stick my head in a blender later tonight.

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it's possible it's a really wet fart, but i don't know how many people fart in the middle of talking either.

Could be stomach settling noises or swallowing, but he doesn't seem to be swallowing, idk.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

If the article said that Trump was huffing paint and doing whippits as prep I would believe it.

[–] Oxymoron@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Well yeah. Because Trump’s strategy will just be to talk about all the shit he already talks about, regardless of the question. If he does actually try to answer the question he will likely just waffle, call things fake news, call Kamala a communist, shit like that. Kamala will have a normal strategy of actually answering the questions like literally any other politician would in any other debate. Hopefully she can also shut down Trump with a few simple similar to “he’s weird” comments, because even though it’s a shame that they work, they do actually work for just dismissing his bullshit and are simple to understand for the simple minded.

As I say, it’s a shame so many people are apparently that simple, that stuff like “make America great again” and “fake news, that’s just fake news” actually work: but they do work for persuading certain simple minded people who the Democrats need votes from.

It’s kinda how the whole “when they go low we go high” thing doesn’t actually work as a complete strategy.

Yes she needs to be making coherent, actual points as well. But having the odd simple put down and knowing when something Trump has said is so insane, that it actually doesn’t deserve a proper answer, but simply a dismissal is important.

Otherwise you end up being on the defensive constantly and run out of time to actually make your own coherent points.

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)
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[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The sad part is his base won't care how stupid he looks and how great she does. They're beyond reasoning. I do look forward to our future President kicking the shit out of him at the debate though.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Debates aren't for the candidate's supporters. They're for the undecided voters. How anyone is still undecided at this point is the real mystery

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Back in 2004 60 Minutes commentator Andy Rooney said that if you couldn't decide between George Bush and John Kerry in five minutes you were too stupid to have a vote.

edit = I had 2000 not 2004. credit wreel for noting it

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[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I'm convinced anyone who claims they're undecided is just being polite to the pollster instead of telling them "none of your business". Or "undecided" is some statistical construct based on the last 70 years of data. Or, someone who hasn't been paying attention and doesn't want to admit to their own apathy.

The idea that someone has thoroughly weighed the offerings and is still waiting for more information to make a decision is utter fucking nonsense.

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[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

I was going to say the real mystery is how anyone could vote for the racist, but then yeah, that's why they're voting for him. We have a lot of shitty people in this country, but then again, the world is full of shitty people.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago (19 children)

if kamala doesn't fucking steam roll in this debate i'm handing over my citizenship card, whoever wants it first can claim it later.

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[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Trump will ramble nonstop, hot mic rule will prevent them from moderating him (as if they would) and Harris will look bad because she has to endure his ramblings because getting into a shouting match will look worse.

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's no way they're not anticipating this. We didn't all wake up yesterday to Trump.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Wait, is he gonna take a swing at Harris?

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