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[–] headset@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Sam Altman has the same creepy vibe as Elon Musk.

[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If it can't figure out how to produce its own power, it's not doing anything but parasitism.

More Market control doesn't make us a healthier or better planet

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's parasitism if it's for their own benefit only.

Now, if openAI actually opened their AI (weights and models, not just access) then maybe the argument would be stronger.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Still can't believe they're not being challenged for their choice of name.

[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

From what's trending about AI, it hasn't done anything to benefit anyone, including itself.

Speaking of pointless things to root for: The Sox at least won a game

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

Fuck OpenAI. I hope they fail.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

That gonna be fun if they manage to make movie makin AI and suddenly all actors appear on the resulting content Big money vs big money 😮

[–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Copyright regulations for thee but not for me

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

oh good. then fuck off. who knew copyright law would eventually be the good guy in a story.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know that old adage, "You either die the villain or live long enough to become the hero."

;)

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that does not sound right, but I don't know enough to argue about it.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Shut it down then and stop stealing other peoples shit

[–] xelar@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unregulated areas lead to these type of business practices where the people will squeeze out the juices of these opportunities. The cost of these activities will be passed on the taxpayers.

[–] meliodas_101@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

What kind of a pathetic statement is that ?

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Good artists copy, great artists steal. If I think even Steve Jobs mentioned having in mind their visit in Xerox Parc research lab

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Now now, I am sure what he meant was they can't make enough profit to bring billions for its shareholders

[–] 5paceThunder@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

If openai gets to use copyrighted content for free, then so should every one else.

If that happens, no point making anything, since your stuff will get stolen anyway

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I'm okay with it if they do some kind of open source GPL style license for the copyrighted material, like you can use all the material in the world to train your model, but you can't sell your model for money if it was trained on copyrighted material.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So say the operators of piracy websites. I'm in favor of media piracy being legalized.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't know for sure if you're making the case that media piracy is more or less equivalent to AI being trained on stolen material (I may be reading that wrong)- but I'd like to add that media piracy isn't making money on the backs of hard working people and forming a dystopia in which human art is drowned out by machine hallucinations.

In any case I agree that piracy should be legalized, or rather, that we rethink our approach to media availability and challenge the power and wealth of producers.

[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

So I got a crazy idea - hear me out - how about we just abolish copyright completely, for everyone?

I mean, it works in China pretty well.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn't the problem, it's companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

(And for those of you soulless capitalists out there, people without food and shelter is bad. That's a thing we won't tolerate and start looking at you lean-and-hungry-like when it happens. That's what gets us thinking about guillotines hungry for aristocrats.)

In my ideal world, everyone would have food, shelter, clothes, entertainment and a general middle-class lifestyle whether they worked or not, and intellectual-property temporary monopolies would be very short and we'd have a huge public domain. I think the UN wants to be on the same page as me, but the United States and billionaires do not.

All we'd have to worry about is the power demands of AI and cryptomining, which might motivate us to get pure-hydrogen fusion working. Or just keep developing solar, wind, geothermal and tidal power until everyone can run their AC and supercomputer.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

I agree this is the real problem. (And also shit like Microsoft's "now I can attend three meetings at once" ad) However:

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem

The industries whose works are being used for training are on the front lines of efforts to replace human workers with AI - writers and visual artists.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The industries whose works are being used for training are on the front lines of efforts to replace human workers with AI - writers and visual artists.

Much the way musicians were on the front line when recording was becoming a thing and movies were turning into talkies. But that's the most visible pushout. We're also seeing clerical work getting automated, and once autonomous vehicles become mastered, freight and courier work (driving freight is like a third of the US workforce).

This is much the same way that GMO technology is fine (and will be necessary) but the way Monsanto has been using it as DRM for seeds is unethical.

I think attacking the technology itself doesn't serve to address the unethical part, and kicks the can down the line to where the fight is going to be more intense. But yes, we haven't found our Mahsa Amini moment to justify nationwide general strikes.

As someone who dabbles in sociology (unaccredited), it's vexed me that we can't organize general strikes (or burning down precincts) until enough people die unjustly and horribly, and even then it's not predictable what will do it. For now it means as a species we're going gentle into multiple good nights.

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[–] menemen@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hello from our companies "we finally need to get more AI" executive conference. I got find a way to get out of this corporate bullshit...

"We are falling behind" my ass.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Hey, me either. I guess I can steal too.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Some idea for others: If OpenAI wins, then use this case when you get busted for sellling bootleg Blu-Rays (since DVDs are long obsolete) from your truck.

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