France is speedrunning this right now. Any time a liberal claims to be antifascist, ask them to explain why they think fascism exists and where it comes from, materially.
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To be fair, if liberals were capable of material analysis then they would no longer be liberals.
Fair, lol
What does "material analysis" means in this context? What should I search to know more? I searched the term and only came up with chemistry topics.
Necessary reading.
You could start here though.
The latter is probably a little easier to digest/dip your toes in. The former is the answer to your question.
Simply put, materialism — as opposed to idealism — is the idea that everything we do and experience as a society (our history, culture, politics, etc) is shaped by the material reality around us, rather than ideas.
"Material analysis" in this case therefore means analysing politics and history through this lens. And it's a fundamental component of socialism/marxism.
⠀Simple diagram of how our material reality shapes our society
Yogthos is insulting liberals because liberalism is an idealist ideology that always eventually gives way to fascism when a capitalist state is (inevitably) in decay.
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My original comment is meant to refer to the concept of Materialism, which contains the concepts of Marxist Dialectical and Historical Materialism. Materialism is a "reality-focused" branch of philosophy and analysis, contrasted with Idealism, which is idea-focused.
The connection to liberalism and fascism is because Liberalism is Idealist as opposed to Materialist. The Liberal answer to "where does fascism come from?" Would be "demagogues like Trump rising to power, racism, xenophobia, etc," yet when you ask why those ideas are present or not present, the Liberal cannot answer genuinely.
For Marxists, fascism is a consequence of Capitalism's decline, resulting in the Petty Bourgeois elements of society, ie the "Middle Class," sliding into worse conditions and allying with the Bourgeoisie against the Proletariat. In Nazi Germany, Capitalism was declining and genuine Communism was gaining steam, with the KPD at the forefront and the SPD representing the moderate Socialists, so fascism gained power as a reaction. Communism and Socialism gained appeal among the Lower Classes while fascism gained power among the Liberals, ie the Middle and Upper Classes.
The other works listed by other commenters are great, but my personal favorite work on the subject is Elementary Principles of Philosophy.
In Nazi Germany
Weimar Republic
Yes, misspoke. Was refering to the eventual rise of the Nazis, not their period of control.
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Aren't there dedicated communities for political memes? I blocked those for a reason. Why is more and more politics bleeding over to here?
Everything is political, there is no such thing as a non-political meme.
Either way, there's a comm for less political memes
I think like... Rocks aren't political, until communities of humans arrive and start talking about rocks and using language to describe rocks. A rock that humans have never interacted with isn't political, until people start using it as an example of what is and isn't political. Sort of like quantum but for concepts and relationships being perceived by communities of people.
Why did I write this?
Rocks aren’t political
They are engaged in a billions years of unending (if slow) political geology conflict, with solution being games of scissor, rocks and paper, but with constant draws because they are rocks.
Rocks are dialectical when they bash against one another, just as I bash my head against every other leftist.
Clearly you need more paper to read.
I wish I had more time :(
Same :(
Anything can be about anything if you connect enough dots in your head.
Politicize this.
Soviets discovering Hitler's burned up corpse, 1945, colorized
Dialectically, the wizard class is fearful of the rising cryptid underclass.
Damn. Well done.
Thanks!
the wizard class being fearfull of the rise of the burning skeletal deer fascists
Don't bring Zizek into this, let the lava buck skeleton talk.
I can't tell if this is a liberal or conservative meme, since both sides call the other side fascist.
It's a Communist meme. Liberals are correct when calling conervatives fascists, they just don't realise that Liberalism supports the material conditions that result in fascism.
both sides
Which side are you on, exactly? I kind of doubt you're a leftist if all you see is "liberal vs conservative."
Are you one of those pretentious "independents" that wants pretty much everything the conservatives want except you also like legal weed? 
that's not true, I bet they want/don't want more than just conservatives, like roades
You can’t tell? Seriously? Conservatives only criticize one specific fascist party because it cynically used socialist in the name. If somebody is critiquing any other form of fascism, with the infrequent outside of WW2 obsessed Americans, exception of imperial Japan) it’s a safe heuristic to assume its form the left assuming no dog whistles are being blown.
Wingers both left and right need to get out of their bubbles. Wingers have no idea what their opposition believe. And attacking centrists is an silly approach to further you're cause. They're literally the people you should be engaging with instead of producing bubbled memes like this.
You're the meme.
I know exactly what the right wing parties in my country want, that's why I'm a left winger
lol lmao
okay loser, like I'm not already being bombarded by right-wing bullshit my whole life by the misfortune of being born Polish
shut up xD
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If they're exclusively supporting the right wing candidate, they're not a centrist, then
Centrism within the context of an exclusively right-wing overton window is always going to functionally be right wing.
You can't possibly make a reasonable argument that Kamala Harris is a fascist lmao
- Authoritarian: no
- Ultra-nationalist: no
- Forcible suppression of opposition: no
- Militarisation of society: no
- State controlled economy: no
I didn't make that point, I said she is right-wing, and is running on the same foreign policy as Trump did 4 years ago, with her promising to build the wall and strengthen border patrol.
Either way:
Authoritarian
What do you mean by this? America isn't a real democracy, if she supports the current system then I believe her to be authoritarian.
Ultra-nationalist
If you count Trump's border policy from 2016-2020 as Ultra-Nationalist, she's Ultra-Nationalist. She also wants the US military to be, and I quote from her speech at the DNC, as "the most lethal military in the world."
Forcible suppression of opposition
Democrats kicked the Party for Socialism and Liberation off the ballot in Georgia already, so while we aren't all the way there, signs of it are showing up
Militarisation of society
Not there yet, sure.
State controlled economy
Much of the US economy is state-controlled, it's just that the US State is controlled by the Bourgeoisie.
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The overton window shifted more left than right, unless said centrist lives in Turkey or Russia
What do you mean by that? Where is the Overton Window sliding to the left?
Brain rot
and are the enlightened centrists in the room with us now?
Down below. Learn to read maybe?
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