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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Centrism within the context of an exclusively right-wing overton window is always going to functionally be right wing.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The overton window shifted more left than right, unless said centrist lives in Turkey or Russia

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you mean by that? Where is the Overton Window sliding to the left?

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anywhere that companies will cater to the left, why would they throw away profit otherwise? You're the majority now and they'll market accordingly

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What do you think "left" means? Communists and Socialists are not the majority, nor are they being pandered to. Right-wingers like Liberals make up the majority.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're kidding me, by your definition I'm center right

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, you are, presuming you support Capitalism.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is not leftism, that is socialism

Don't redefine what leftist is just because you don't consider culturally left to still be leftist

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Leftism starts at Socialism.

[–] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is misleading. Most people do not actually know what Socialism or Communism are in the US. What we are seeing is increasing polarization, fascism and Socialism are rising as a response to decaying Imperialism in the American Empire, as a consequence of decaying Capitalism.

Party-wise, the Democrats are running on the GOP platform of 4 years ago, while the GOP is running on overt fascism. American politics is more right-wing than ever before.

[–] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Under the asumption I am most people, can you give me the definition of socialism you prefer?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Socialism is, put at the most simple statement, Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. It is also, more abstractly put, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a transitional status towards Communism.

People often confuse Capitalist governments doing stuff for Socialism, and Socialist governments retaining Capitalist elements as the entire system being Capitalist. It requires class analysis of who is in power.

Do you have a different idea, or is this in line with what you currently understand?

[–] supertrucker@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It ends the same way. An authoritarian dictatorship of a small group that seizes total political power. It always ends this way, and no amount of people power will change that

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Why? What are you talking about?

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You can't possibly make a reasonable argument that Kamala Harris is a fascist lmao

  • Authoritarian: no
  • Ultra-nationalist: no
  • Forcible suppression of opposition: no
  • Militarisation of society: no
  • State controlled economy: no
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn't make that point, I said she is right-wing, and is running on the same foreign policy as Trump did 4 years ago, with her promising to build the wall and strengthen border patrol.

Either way:

Authoritarian

What do you mean by this? America isn't a real democracy, if she supports the current system then I believe her to be authoritarian.

Ultra-nationalist

If you count Trump's border policy from 2016-2020 as Ultra-Nationalist, she's Ultra-Nationalist. She also wants the US military to be, and I quote from her speech at the DNC, as "the most lethal military in the world."

Forcible suppression of opposition

Democrats kicked the Party for Socialism and Liberation off the ballot in Georgia already, so while we aren't all the way there, signs of it are showing up

Militarisation of society

Not there yet, sure.

State controlled economy

Much of the US economy is state-controlled, it's just that the US State is controlled by the Bourgeoisie.

[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Forcible suppression of opposition

Democrats kicked the Party for Socialism and Liberation off the ballot in Georgia already, so while we aren’t all the way there, signs of it are showing up

Don't forget all the times they broke strikes, sent the cop beat up protesters, arrested peoples who spoke against Israel, etc...

Militarisation of society

Not there yet, sure.

Normalizing wars for resources and geopolitical influence, cohering poor peoples to join the army by having military service be the only way to not fall into decades long crippling debt to pay for college, continuing to throw more and more money at the military industrial complex even though they already give it more than the next 10 biggest military spending combined and justifying it with fearmongering about Russia/China/whatever country they don't like invading them and their allies. They already seem pretty militaristic to me.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Normalizing wars for resources and geopolitical influence, cohering poor peoples to join the army by having military service be the only way to not fall into decades long crippling debt to pay for college, continuing to throw more and more money at the military industrial complex even though they already give it more than the next 10 biggest military spending combined and justifying it with fearmongering about Russia/China/whatever country they don't like invading them and their allies. They already seem pretty militaristic to me.

Fair point that I agree with personally. I do believe Internal militarization is increasing over time, however.

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 month ago

how do people like this find there way here honestly

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

except she is for all those things except the last one which is self evident since fascists fucking love the shit out of the free market.

she is literally a fucking pig

she is amerikkkan and proud

literally head pig in california when the pigs where running people over in 2020

the amerikkkan empire is already so militarized that anything short of trying to scale it back counts

just because the other ghoul is even more of a fascists doesn't make her not one.