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Let's put it this way; when Microsoft announced its plans to start adding features to Windows 10 once again, despite the operating system's inevitable demise in October 2025, everyone expected slightly different things to see ported over from Windows 11. Sadly, the latest addition to Windows 10 is one of the most annoying changes coming from Windows 11's Start menu.

Earlier this year, Microsoft introduced a so-called "Account Manager" for Windows 11 that appears on the screen when you click your profile picture on the Start menu. Instead of just showing you buttons for logging out, locking your device or switching profiles, it displays Microsoft 365 ads. All the actually useful buttons are now hidden behind a three-dot submenu (apparently, my 43-inch display does not have enough space to accommodate them). Now, the "Account Manager" is coming to Windows 10 users.

The change was spotted in the latest Windows 10 preview builds from the Beta and Release Preview Channels. It works in the same way as Windows 11, and it is disabled by default for now because the submenu with sign-out and lock buttons does not work.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Seriously though, in W11 it's super easy to disable this shit.

Start Menu:
Personalization > Start > “Show recommendations for tips, app promotions, and more.” (OFF)

Lock Screen:
Personalization > Lock Screen > Change from "Weather 'and more'" to "None".

Search:
Settings  > Search  > Permissions & History > Turn it ALL off. Cloud, Work/School, etc.

[–] auroz@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

On machines where I have to use windows I run start10 to replace the start menu with something a little more bearable. I imagine there's a FOSS equivalent but I bought a license years and years ago so I've never bothered to search.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Classic Shell/Open Shell.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

StartIsBack for me

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 0 points 3 months ago

Installing OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my wife's laptop as we speak. Stupid thing forcefully installed 11.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

ShutUp10 for the win.

(Linux for the real win).

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

ShutUp10 is the equivalent of being in an abusive relationship and telling yourself "it'll be okay if I just don't upset them and stay out of their way". You know it'll happen again. You're just in denial and kicking the ball down the road a bit until they do it again. Use it to buy yourself time to make a plan to get out of the relationship. The sooner you leave, the better off you'll be.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Shutup10 for sure.

Linux, nah. It still can't do what we need it to do, so it's not the proper tool for the job.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Chicken and egg. Linux is roughly 4% of the OS space. If more people would get on board, it would become a better tool. I use both. Windows because I have to. Linux because I want to.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (41 children)

Linux missed the mark years ago. It's not a lack of people using it, it's a lack of usability for people. You're blaming users because Linux doesn't work for them.

My standard response to "just go Linux" :

I keep having to say this, as much as I like Linux for certain things, as a desktop it's still no competition to Windows, even with this awful shit going on.

As some background - I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I'd stuck with Cobol).

I had my first UNIX class in about 1990.

I run a Mint laptop (for the hell of it, and I do mean hell) . Update: stopped running Mint on that laptop, it'll never be viable for the intended use-case. Power management is a joke. Configured as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead - as in battery at zero, won't even boot.

Windows would never do this, no, Windows can never do this. It is incapable of running a battery to zero, it'll shutoff before then to protect the battery. To really kill it you have to boot to BIOS and let it sit, Windows simply will not let a battery get to zero.

There's no way even possible via the Mint GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions. None, nada, zip, not at all. Command line only, in the twenty-first century, something Windows has had since I don't recall, 95 I think (I was carrying a laptop then, and I believe it had hibernate, sorry, it's been what, almost thirty years now).

There are many reasons why Linux doesn't compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.

Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. The devs of open office refuse to support tables, saying "you should manage data in a proper database app". While I don't disagree with the sentiment, no, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people. I do this several times a day in excel.

Now there's that print monitor that's on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? Again, in the 21st century?

Networking... Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn't say "save creds"? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. In the 21st century?

Oh, you have a wireless Logitech mouse? Linux won't even recognize it. You have to search for a solution and go find a third-party download that makes it work. My brand new wireless mouse works on any version of Windows since Win2k (at the least) and would probably work on Win95.

Someone else said it better than me:

Every time I've installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it's gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn't look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works.... only it doesn't save my preferences.

So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically.. but that doesn't work, so now I can't boot.. so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that... then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution... wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it's been four hours, it's 3:00am and I'm like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.

And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren't supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can't wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?

I just can't do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I've loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.

I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.

Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM's on Linux (Proxmox) because that's better than running Linux VM's on a Windows server.

Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.

Linux doesn't even use a common shell (which is a good thing in it's own way), and that's a massive barrier for users.

If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would've had a chance to beat MS, even then it would've required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.

These are what MS did in the 1980's to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.

All this without considering the systems management requirements of even an SMB with perhaps a dozen users (let alone an enterprise with tens of thousands).

[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

You must be fun at parties

[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago (9 children)

It sounds like many of your problems could be fixed by installing kde plasma6 instead.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And people question my decision to disable automatic updates...

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll take you one further. I'm on Windows 7. Hasn't been updated since like 2013.

[–] akwd169@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Unrelated question: What's your IP address?

Jk

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[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Microsoft believes if they worsen the enshitification of Windows 10, more people will just upgrade to 11 quicker.

I decided to move to Linux and my other family went with Macbooks.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Sadly, I'm at a Microsoft office and do not have this option for my work machine.

It does look like I'll be forced into Linux on my personal machine before too long, though.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lucky for me I only use my windows work laptop to remote into Linux.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Similarly, I use my windows work laptop for accessing remote (usually Linux) systems, and a few specific apps that are windows only.

My desktops are Linux (and of course my servers here as well), and I have a windows VM for those tools that are windows only that I need. Which I've modified that VM heavily to not have the normal junk from windows.

A recent decision for "security" will require using AAD joined machines only to access email/teams/etc. I was going to make an exception for my machines, then decided against it. My laptop now just sits off to the side, with only teams and outlook running, and its basically all I'll use it for.

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[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Not much to be done with a work machine, but for personal use, I believe the more people moving away from Windows the better.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This. I mainly keep Windows around on my old laptop for Office development and I don't need another subscription so won't pay for 360. I'll most likely just stop messing with Office and give Windows the boot altogether. Some of my computers already run Linux (mainly Debian). Office and SubtitleEdit have kept my laptop on Windows 10, but fuck getting ads from the OS.

[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I can’t stress strongly enough how badly I am opposed to ads.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Anybody remember Litestep (http://litestep.net/)? It was an open source shell alternative to the default Windows shell.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I just recently installed the windows 11 LTSC IOT enterprise edition, it contains no ads and is meant for corporate use. I got it off of the massgravel Dev site. The only thing pre-installed is the edge browser. Boots way faster and my games are right there. I have it dual-boot alongside Ubuntu. I recommend it if you have to use windows for some programs.

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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These ads are what finally got me to pull the trigger and move to Linux. Arch is great, zero issues to report.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Sam Reich? Did you get a haircut?

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you're a person who prefers to type commands than click through menus then you should try the "run" program in the "powertoys" suite from Microsoft.

It a launcher program that's superior to Start in every way. You can type in plain English system commands like "shutdown"; a search that actually works; you can pass queries into your browser's search engine; and of course launch programs by typing in their names. You can even enter entire registry addresses to open regedit at the desired location.

This is a complete replacement for the Start Menu.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just made a similar comment above but you're in an abusive relationship. MS isn't going to come to their senses and change paths. You can delay things by using powertoys, but they'll be back to abuse you again. Use this time to plan an exit strategy and leave.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty insulting to anyone who's ACTUALLY been in an abusive relationship to claim that looking at an ad is the same thing as being beaten at night.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago

I'm sorry for your situation. That sucks, and I empathize. I hope you have found physical and mental healing.

That being said, there are different levels of abusive relationships. I can see where that poster could compare Microsoft to a gaslighting relationship where a partner says they are doing something for you, but it's always about themselves.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I haven't even used the start menu in so long because Windows 10 always had a shitty one and I really just use my PC for games which I launch from Steam or my desktop (if non steam). If I ever need to open the settings or whatever, I use Windows Key+R and just type out what I want to run.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is there a way to pre-emptively block this? Something in hosts.txt? Registry?

The very first day I see those ads in my Win10 will be the day I uninstall Win and go Linux.

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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)
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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

uses busybox so I can um actually your um actually

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (10 children)

What's keeping me running Microsoft? A collection of Steam games that I love. Do they work on Linux now?

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My entire Steam library works on Linux Mint.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Dang I thought Windows 10 would be safe from this for some reason. Silly me.

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[–] accideath@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

If they can’t bring the people to Win 11, they bring Win 11 to the people instead?

Just install Linux, it’s not that hard. Or at least get a Mac or a Chromebook…

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Hold on let me check my start menu.

Oh this is gnome lolololol.

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