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Reddit says Microsoft’s Bing, Anthropic, and Perplexity have scraped its data without permission. “It has been a real pain in the ass to block these companies.”

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

And Lost_My_Mind says to reddit.......oh, it's just a middle finger.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Without these agreements, we don’t have any say or knowledge of how our data is displayed and what it’s used for, which has put us in a position now of blocking folks who haven’t been willing to come to terms with how we’d like our data to be used or not used

It’s the users’ data, not yours, you rent seeking fuck

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Let's see ... how do we get more people to visit our site? I know! We'll prevent search engines from sending people to it!"

...

[–] Sordid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's phase three of the enshittification cycle. In phase one you attract users by providing a good service. Once they're locked in, you squeeze them for all they're worth by switching focus to business customers (advertisers). Once they're locked in, you squeeze them by threatening to deny them access to the users on whom they now depend.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I had also described it elsewhere as the "suck all the value out before it's dead" phase. They're clearly no longer interested about growing the site; they're just getting as much money as possible from their traffic and engagement history as possible now, because they know traffic and engagement is already declining.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They won't get the Nougat! The Nougat is here with us!

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Big profit now is better than our long term image

~ Reddit shareholders

[–] tux0r@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago

As if there was any hint of an "image" left to lose.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

God, that's like the mantra for all shareholders everywhere.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 0 points 3 months ago

This is for you, Reddit: 🎻

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

It would be interesting if any large companies got behind promoting and endorsing federated media to get around this sort of situation.

I suspect paying money is easier. And they probally assume their need to do so will be temporary. AGI will fix everything, right? Feel it. Feel the AGI.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 0 points 3 months ago

Look at all the work we done... some 200million per year dude is selling it now...

aint this grand?!

[–] piefedderatedd@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] tux0r@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

... who, ironically, co-founded reddit and wrote its first version.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Probably got turned in by Steve too.

[–] braindefragger@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Member when the web was starting out? We had dreams and ideas. Standards being written. Concepts about how to build out the web for maximum efficiency of sharing information. It was frowned upon to not include source. Low effort screenshots didn’t cut it. Best practices were always available and encouraged.

I’m sure many of us remember those forks in the road as the web progressed. It was so clear when corporations starting having “ideas” where it was going to lead if we didn’t stand up for the “correct” way to internet.

And now here we are. Ugh.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I remember. Now it's mostly walled gardens everywhere. Capitalism fucked us again.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When the internet was new I thought that the spread of knowleege would raise up people's awareness of things they had not been exposed to under the false assumption that the vast majority of people where reasonable, but uninformed.

Nope, I was wrong. At best a slight majority are reasonable with varying levels of ignorance and the rest are willfully ignorant.

[–] Crismus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

In the early years, I learned a lot of new things. The late 90's had so much hope for the web and learning new things. I remember falling I to rabbit holes a lot more often back then because it wasn't about video essays and persuasive videos.

I miss all of those old text based chatting and the friends I made on Yahoo local chat rooms. Somedays I wish the social media sites run by algorithms didn't surpass those old forums and chat rooms.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

Internet is just a new form of mass media to control the minds of people who aren't paying attention

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

I don't remember when it was starting out but I do remember the forums of the 00s as well as the overall online culture of the time. The fediverse is the closest I've gotten to feeling that again but obviously nothing will ever feel like that again because I'm an adult and all the sense of wonder is gone from the online world for me.

At least here, we're not on a platform owned by corporations.

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[–] tux0r@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago

Reddit says web clients have visited their public, free website without permission.

Fixed.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Reddit only exists because of an open net and sharing content, noe they just suddenly determined that an open net is bad.

A common strategy, but it fucking sucks.

Fuck you reddit.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I tried to get us all to start using "King Steven the Turd", but that never caught on.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yah, I'll take a good shit over Spez any day.

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[–] DoctorButts@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Spez gets a ton of online hate and it is still somehow not enough hate.

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[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (26 children)

It's not your data.

Fuck off.

[–] lmaydev@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I mean it literally is. People post it there voluntarily knowing that. It's what keeps the lights on.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yup keeps the lights on and makes sure Spez gets his yearly 200 million bonus. It's good that they are tightening the screw because 200 million is clearly not enough, he deserves double that at least.

[–] admin@lemmy.my-box.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but that’s just the tip

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You see what happens, Larry?

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?!

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

They are not responsible for what people post, nor do they pay anyone to post, therefore I do not see how they can claim the data as "theirs".

They have their own self-regualted rules, but ultimately most anything is fair game for reddit to point at the user and say "we take no responsibility for what an individual may post on this public form".

The only thing they will have a problem with is CSAM, but even then as long the volunteer mods remain effective at removing it, reddit will not be responsible for anything users post.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Sort of, but not really. From the Reddit ToS (emphasis mine):


By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Beyond that, if you are serving webpages with data on them, you don't get to decide what people do with those pages. They can't stop search engines from scraping

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol...really? So the can reuse, modify, and remove all association with your content, but somehow you think you still own it?

I've got a bridge to sell you.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In essence, it means that you reserve the right to also use the content for your own purposes, without Reddit having any recourse to preventing you from doing that.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago

To commemorate Steve "Greedy Pigboy" Huffman's assertiveness, I've made some memes. Enjoy.

[–] hotpot8toe@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“It has been a real pain in the ass to block these companies.” makes me regret ever using Reddit in my life. Get your profit whatever, but this is just beyond greed.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I deleted my account but that was before I learnt you could replace all your posts with random sentences.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 0 points 3 months ago

I think it is when you use the toilet - it is what you flush away.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 3 months ago

We shouldn't accept this behavior or other companies will follow!

[–] db2@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Reddit CEO can shove reddit up his ass sideways. The whole thing.

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