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Southwest Airlines, the fourth largest airline in the US, is seemingly unaffected by the problematic CrowdStrike update that caused millions of computers to BSoD (Blue Screen of Death) because it used Windows 3.1. The CrowdStrike issue disrupted operations globally after a faulty update caused newer computers to freeze and stop working, with many prominent institutions, including airports and almost all US airlines, including United, Delta, and American Airlines, needing to stop flights.

Windows 3.1, launched in 1992, is likely not getting any updates. So, when CrowdStrike pushed the faulty update to all its customers, Southwest wasn’t affected (because it didn’t receive an update to begin with).

The airlines affected by the CrowdStrike update had to ground their fleets because many of their background systems refused to operate. These systems could include pilot and fleet scheduling, maintenance records, ticketing, etc. Thankfully, the lousy update did not affect aircraft systems, ensuring that everything airborne remained safe and were always in control of their pilots.

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe don’t pay a company to install a rootkit on your critical infrastructure?

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 0 points 2 months ago

Just open up your critical infrastructure to the public Internet and you’ll get rootkits for free.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is the "can't get a Word Document macro virus because I use the Corel WordPerfect Document type" kind of energy.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, it doesn't, because Corel didn't buy WordPerfect until 1996.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I miss our Corel word perfect :(

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[–] tux0r@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ah, nothing's wrong with WordPerfect, honestly. Still better than Word.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Windows 3.1? You fancy kids, and your modern operating systems! What's wrong with Windows 1.0???

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago

Why not Quick and Dirty Operating System?

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

One X user suggested that the company switch to Windows XP—it’s also no longer updated, and it can run Windows 3.1 applications via compatibility mode.

Maybe that was a joke, but if anything that would reduce their security. Windows 3.1 and 95 are old enough that they can't even run most stuff from the last two and a half decades, which probably protects them. XP is just new enough, and plenty old enough, to be very risky.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

They're also so old they were compiled without any modern instrumentation, e.g. stack canaries.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of an episode of Ghost in the Shell where a hacker in a hyper-advanced cyberised society was using floppy disks as a storage medium because they were so slow.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 2 months ago

One of the background details I liked in Ghost in the Shell was how the high-end data analysts and programmers employed by the government did their work using cybernetic hands whose fingers could separate into dozens of smaller fingers to let them operate keyboards extremely quickly. They didn't use direct cybernetic links because that was a security vulnerability for their brains.

[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 0 points 2 months ago

This is both awesome and frightening for many reasons

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fact that they’re running 3.1 is not something to be proud of. They’re probably extremely vulnerable to any other attack.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jagger2097@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please explain. I'll make 🍿

[–] RustyHeater@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft's Wolverine for the TCP stack was not available until Windows 3.11. An argument could be made that these systems are defacto air-gapped as they cannot communicate with modern networking.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Youre assuming the article is using "windows 3.1" to mean the exact version of the OS, instead of just the proper name of the OS overall. That probally unlikley.

Since lacking a network stack tends to limit usability, unless the systems are intentionally air gapped they likely are on windows 3.1.1 or later. Based on Southwest extensively documented and decades long IT neglect that landed its current COO in front of Congress for a previous days long outage, i doubt the systems are intentionally airgapped, as that implies a working and well funded IT department.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Holy crap, they are serious. I though I was on !programmer_humor@programming.dev for a minute. I sure hope none of those computers are connected to the internet. There's a massive number of vulnerabilities in windows 3.1 and windows 95.

[–] krdo@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Windows 3.1 doesn't even come with a TCP/IP stack. It's actually pretty safe.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As long as that's the exact version they're using. Windows for workgroups 3.11 has networking.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.run 0 points 2 months ago

Yep. I remember - despite the fact it was old even then - building and connecting a Win 3.11 machine to a TCP/IP office network as a proof of concept back in 2000 or so. I might have even installed Netscape on it. I don't remember clearly now, but I assume the parts for the computer came out of the spares pile, and were soon recycled back into other machines.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

But how many people are looking for Windows 3.1 anything today?

Well I suppose now there might be more

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Best feature windows 3.1 has:

... it doesn't pop up message telling you to upgrade to windows 11.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

or add shitty AI tools without asking.

or constntly nag you to use their cloud storage

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Plus all them decks for solitaire!!!

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My windows 10 PC is telling me I don't qualify for a free Windows 11 update, so I've got that going for me.

[–] Mountain_Mike_420@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Haha. I’ve got one of those too.

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[–] Entropywins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Shhh don't give microsoft any ideas

[–] qisope@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Or, for your consideration, could it perhaps be because they don't use crowdstrike?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, what? 3.1 not getting updates has nothing to do with this. Software developed for 3.1 can still be updated. This article is just silly.

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The interesting thing here is wondering why they never upgraded. Perhaps managing flights digitally just hasn't changed much since the early nineties and they never needed anything else?

[–] irinotecan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Likely the same reason why banks and other financial institutions still use COBOL and Fortran code written in the 1970s or earlier on archaic mainframes: Top management decided at some point it was too expensive to rewrite everything from scratch in some modern language for modern hardware, so they just limp along with what they have.

A 16-bit app written for Windows 3.x would almost certainly have to be rewritten for modern, 64-bit Windows.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

While i figured the cost would be a factor, i just figured they were sticking with a system that works. If it serves their needs effectively and reliably, why change it?

Edit: answered my own question--it doesn't work anymore, and that's why it needs to be changed

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/southwest-cancels-thousands-more-us-flights-weather-stays-bitter-2022-12-27/

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

It isn't even a Windows update, but a software update.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My Linux servers weren't affected either. I think it's because of Windows 3.1

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

My wife shared this with me yesterday, but I didn’t see it:

A joke tweet with an attached image of a smart refrigerator. The refrigerator displays a blue screen of death. The tweet reads “I can’t even open my fridge.” Another tweet is replying to it, taking it seriously and indicating they do not embrace smart technology.

Somebunny is gonna learn those things aren’t windows-based today!

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[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Windows 3.1 didn’t have the BSOD. It just froze. I remember with Windows NT 4, when we first got the BSOD, being so grateful that Microsoft decided to actually tell us that our computer wasn’t going to recover from the error. Otherwise, we’d just be sitting there, waiting, hoping it would unfreeze itself.

It never did

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Are you sure? I remember a long time ago being able to trigger a BSOD by opening Windows Calculator and dividing any number by 0. And I'm pretty sure that was 3.1 or 3.11.

In fact, I remember being able to change the color of the BSOD.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As another user mentioned, the BSOD first came in Windows NT 3.51.

But it definitely wasn’t in Windows 3.1 or Windows 3.11

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[–] fury@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Windows 3.1 did have a BSOD. It wasn't always fatal, you could try to hit enter to go back to Windows, but most of the time it wasn't really recoverable, Windows often wouldn't work right afterwards.

I ran into them all the time in 3.11 on our 486 which had some faulty RAM (the BSOD would even be scrambled). If we could get back to Windows after that, it'd just be in a zombie state where moving the mouse around would paint stuff over whatever was left on screen, and wouldn't respond to clicks or keypresses.

Fun times.

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[–] yemmly@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

This software is shit Bob! What should we do Bob?

Well Bob, we should find something compatible with shit!

Bob, I think I got it! I got this other shit software!

Genius Bob! Just Genius! 😎

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And they can play JezzBall.

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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

This... Doesn't make me feel any better about flying Southwest

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i think you accedentaly put southwest instead of spirit.

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[–] BingBong@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is this actually confirmed anywhere though? I keep seeing it repeated and the only 'source' is a ?xeet? .

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 0 points 2 months ago

Same, I'm pretty sure it's not true.

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