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Pluralistic: “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing” (pluralistic.net)
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[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The origins of any movie you pirate come from theft, full stop.

Rips do exist, ya know?

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And physical media's never stolen, right?

The data to validate this is scarce, but I'd wager that most rips come from stolen physical media. I don't think there's too many people out there going "I just paid $20 of my hard-earned money for this Blu-ray, so now I'm going to give it away to strangers for free". The whole "paying for something" thing is kinda antithetical to piracy in the first place. But again, there's no real way to quantify this.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you just dmit that you assume everything is stolen. That's motivated reasoning, buddy.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're literally talking about piracy, so yes lmao

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're literally talking about piracy, so yes lmao

So, according to you, piracy is stealing, because it has to be stolen at some point. And the reason that it must be stolen is because it is connected to piracy.

Don't act surprised if you're downvoted, if you present your circular logic this plainly.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So, according to you, piracy is stealing, because it has to be stolen at some point.

No, I never said anything of the sort. Piracy is stealing because you are taking something without paying the cost for it.

Don’t act surprised if you’re downvoted, if you present your circular logic this plainly.

I don't care about downvotes from pirates with a Robin Hood complex. I'm on Kbin and most of them don't sync to my instance, anyway.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

When I steal a shoe, the shoe can't besold anymore, because I have it. If I pirate a game, is there one less copy that steam can sell?

Piracy is categorically something else than stealing. Have you even read the original post?

Edit: If you really follow your logic strand, you would have to reach the conclusion that Sony stole content from their users.

Edit2:

No, I never said anything of the sort.

This u?

The origins of any movie you pirate come from theft, full stop.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

according to you, piracy is stealing, because it has to be stolen at some point.

The origins of any movie you pirate come from theft, full stop.

These are not the same statement. You're getting the before and after mixed up, likely on purpose.