Even though I understand how this works on an intellectual level, it's still astounding to me that you can ascribe yourself a literal ideology as an identity -in that you start as a Muslim, instead of as a member of Islam- and accuse a whole lot of people who have a literal identity inextricable from their person of subscribing to an ideology.

It's very interesting.

I could say the same from the point of view of an atheist living in a western country with muslim populations. First it was these people can go to mosques to pray and can cover their hair if they are women. Why do I care. But it didn't stop there. Now they want me to respect their fasting on ramadan and not eat in public, force me to listen to their call to prayer five times a day, including at the crack of dawn, force alcohol serving restaurants -if they permit them at all- to be out of sight. That's why I became more hateful...

[–] honorfaz@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

@CynAq I am a Muslim first and foremost, before anything else.

If the west chose to approach Islam in this way, I would not complain. I have no expectations of non-Muslims to respect or treat my faith with dignity. You want to hate it or whatever go ahead. A lot of so called progressives called Muslims allies but the reality is no Muslim agrees with 90% of the social issues from these groups. It's that simple. You have the right to hate.

Next, it is one thing to be gay and another entirely to take part in all the, yes, ideological events that surround LGBT. You can be gay and Muslim. You are not punished for your thoughts. Even if you act upon them, the door of repentance is open until your last breath, to all Muslims and people. You cannot be Muslim and say that the action is permissible, or that such a lifestyle is encouraged or praiseworthy. Like I said, some people may be tested in this way, but it doesn't validate the culture around it.