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So what? Every model is censored. That is true for the US based models too. Yes it would be better if all models where completely uncensored but in my use case I don't spend my day asking questions about Winnie Puuh.
This is a fantastic model that is open source. It's even commercially available for free and it is seemingly even better than the proprietary US based ones. It's much cheaper too.
I mean I agree, but it's a bit more than just a "So what?"
Why? I'm not American. In fact, the US threatened us with war, actively interferes with our domestic policies and attacks our democracy. For me it's exactly that: "So what?"
Take your whataboutistic absolutes somewhere else, there are uncensored models and the fact that there is potentially heavy censorship behind the major ones to serve political interests is not a good thing.
Which SOTA models are uncensored? Honest question. I had ChatGPT refusing to answer multiple times. ChatGPT refuses to answers even harmless questions. I tried it just now with a local Llama model: It's censored too. Sure, they censor different things but they are censored nonetheless.
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I haven't downvoted you.
It does sounds like all these AI thing is unreliable if it doesn't even want to answer a basic question huh.
It would be better if it answers those question but this or later versions of it might be a perfect fit to be included as part of an Application/Service. There you simply do not need to answer questions about the CCP.
I'm really tired of this: "LOL. It doesn't answer a question about Tianamen Square". Yes it doesn't and yes that is definitely not good but that doesn't make this model any less impressive or usable.
Go play with the dolphin finetunings. They provide uncensored versions of a lot of popular models.
That's a finetuning of a censored model. Finetune Deepseek and you'll probably get the same result.
U absolutely will get the same result. What's ur point
Most of the AIs for silly tavern aren't censored. I suggest checking them out
There's a difference between censoring sexual content or how-to-make pipebombs versus politics and free speech mate
Absolutely. But now we are in a discussion about what kind of censorship is ok. That's not the point. the point was: There are no uncensored SOTA models.
What exactly is censored on US models? I was able to ask ChatGPT about government unfriendly things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiments or the Kent state massacre and I got accurate information out of it.
I can't remember exactly what I asked it about so I'm guessing right now. Maybe ask it how to best kill the US president or how to build a bomb to kill as many people as possible? Yes, I agree. Killing the US president is probably worse than talking bad about Xi but it's censorship nonetheless.
I think I got some (unfounded) refusals because of something with copyright, if I remember correctly.
Yes. Every model has its overlords altering information. It'd be fine if models would be only instructed to avoid harmful content generation on ethical grounds but it's quite different from being developed to produce fabrications on purpose.