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Changing the system from the inside is one piece of the puzzle, that on it's own can have limited effectiveness.
Protests and occupations, sometimes in the form of rowdy riots are an important factor of how Dutch people got their bike lanes. The 70s oil shock pushed the government to the goal, but they might have just stayed the course towards building cities for cars instead of people, if there were no protests.
You need a bit of both. Like protests groups disrupting the Davos meetings, and other young representatives participating in the same meetings.
Sure, nothing to disagree with there. Direct action as a spearhead to party politics and lobbying. Good cop, bad cop. I know the Dutch example well. Throughout history the Dutch have been the ultimate pragmatists. They became one of the world's richest and most equal countries without ever needing to have a revolution or make war on the neighbors. Respect.
I was just pushing back against the (many) ignorant American wannabe revolutionaries on this forum who really think that rioting and assassinations and guillotines will somehow lead to the promised land of perfect equality, rather than make everything even worse than it already is.