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[–] spencerwi@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If I have bad credit in the US, I don't get locked out of riding the bus. From the "no no it's totally not an Orwellian big brother system" article someone linked above trying to claim it's all BS:

These are often enforced by multiple agencies pursuant to joint punishment agreements covering such sectors as taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments.

These punishments are intended to incentivize legal and regulatory compliance under the often-repeated slogan of “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.”

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Use your critical thinking skills, imagine a bus in a city of 10 million people during rush hour at a busy stop -- do you honestly think they're checking everyone's credit score before they get on? This shit is fake you have been duped

And how exactly would an individual be subject to oversight in matters like "taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments"? I know we have citizens united but corporations are not people lol

[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why would such a feature need facial recognition? Just use the ID on the travel pass and done - cheaper, faster, and harder to fake if done properly.

[–] TC_209@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

Instead of speculating on how it could be done, show us how it actually is done.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

The bus and metro passes are literally transferrable because they're just a token not tied to any ID. Also they accept cash, and you can buy passes at a kiosk.

I have personally even purchased a metro ticket for another person because we were going somewhere together and they left theirs at home. Within the last 2 weeks.

You have been lied to. There are no WMDs in Iraq, MSG isn't toxic, and Napoleon wasn't short either, if you just blatantly swallow everything you see.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know we have citizens united but corporations are not people lol

Citizens United didn't make corporations people. Corporate personhood had been a thing for a very long time, largely about whether or not forming a business means you lose legal rights operating under it (Does a business entity have freedom of speech? What does freedom of the press even mean in an 18th century context if it doesn't apply to a business [aka a newspaper]?) and whether or not regular old laws prohibiting a person from doing a thing can be applied to businesses.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

Does this "being obtuse so as to not have to engage with an argument" shtick normally work?

[–] spencerwi@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Use your critical thinking skills, imagine a bus in a city of 10 million people during rush hour at a busy stop – do you honestly think they’re checking everyone’s credit score before they get on? This shit is fake you have been duped

Again, citation needed. "There's literally no way an internet-connected society that already requires payment to board a bus, usually via something like tap-to-pay, could ever possibly check your ID against a list of IDs before you get on the bus" is not convincing. Evidence is convincing, and I've seen none so far. I've only seen an article reporting that it actually happens.

The quote you're saying is ridiculous is from the article provided describing how the social credit system actually works in real life. If you can give me a credible source that demonstrates this isn't happening (instead of just your own lack of imagination to conceptualize tech that is already broadly implemented worldwide) then maybe that'd be more convincing than "I can't personally imagine how that would work, so it's impossible!"

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A still from some random persons shitty travel blog taken 6 months ago of her getting on the bus in China. What do you think that box is for, cookies for the driver?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Ie9HYWejc

Feel free to watch for yourself, this is around minute 23. It took me 30 seconds to find this

By the way exchanges like this is why many people on left instances are outright hostile to liberals, making outlandish claims while being too fucking lazy to do even the bare minimum of independent research, racism to discount the voices of the people who are actually fucking from there saying 'no this is bullshit'

Like who are you going to believe a regurgitation of a state department talking point or a website full of normal ass Chinese people

I know the answer bc like all liberals you are racist and intellectually lazy

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I live in China. You out ¥2 into the slot and you get on. You can be wearing a fully balaclava, a face mask, or nothing. No-ones running ID on you to make sure your magical score is high enough before you are allowed to get on. You can get a transit token so you can tap on if you're cashless. They're sold without ID checks, foreigners can get them without speaking a word of Mandarin.

You have been lied to and now you're repeating those lies on the internet without even getting paid.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

¥2

u fukin wot
that's 10p
I can't get a bus 200m for less than a pound

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

Again, citation needed.

But not if it's you saying racist shit lmao

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

Alright, then let's see the citations

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If I have bad credit in the US, I don’t get locked out of riding the bus

You might!

I know a lot of areas are switching to digital-only bus fares, and those, of course, require a bank card or credit card...

Guess what can lock you out of getting those, and thereby, riding on the bus?

There’s also no credit-score check in the US for job applications, so no, it doesn’t “lock people out of finding work.”

Do you live in the US? Lots of employers run credit checks as a part of their normal background checking. I've see people fired for bad credit scores.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

Here, drew a picture of you
i-love-not-thinking
Imagine having the internet at your disposal, being able to immediately investigate your own assumptions, but instead you choose to just state blatantly wrong things and then get mad when you're called out for it.

Consider wether digging a hole and then staying in it would be right for you. Consult your doctor

[–] M1ch431@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There’s also no credit-score check in the US for job applications, so no, it doesn’t “lock people out of finding work.”

Employers may use credit report information to verify an applicant's identity and to look for signs of excessive debt or past financial mismanagement. Source: https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/why-employers-check-your-credit-report-and-what-they-see/


Employers discriminate very openly against applicants for a variety of reasons. Nepotism is one such way, AI filtering is an emergent way - there are plenty of other practices.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Read beyond that point. The West distorts the scope and nature of the credit system to ludicrous degrees, nobody claims that there’s no such thing.

[–] spencerwi@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

As I responded to you elsewhere, I did read beyond that point. Are you sure that you did?

I read the whole article, as it went on to describe more of what has been reported as having a “social credit score”, and gave more details about how it’s administered.

Basically, the headline is “no, it’s not at all what you’ve heard”, and then the article goes on to describe exactly what has been reported in the US. I’m not sure your point about “there’s no credit score that is administered by the Chinese government with a mechanism for blacklisting you and restricting you everywhere” is well-supported by an article that describes a credit score that is administered by the Chinese government that operates blacklists that are enforced under the slogan “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.”

If that’s not actually how it works, then you need to provide a credible source that proves that’s not how it works. Providing a source that reports that yes, that’s exactly how it works doesn’t serve your argument. And “well but the West is totally lying, maaan” isn’t proof; it’s an unverified claim by a random internet commenter.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

So which part of this do you think is the part that addresses the clear and salient arguments you're arguing against?

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago

I literally live in China. The scores apply to businessmen and not the average citizen. China isn't North Sentinel Island, you can literally come here.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

No, it does not describe "exactly as what the western media depicted." The west reported utterly nonsense and unfounded ideas of facial recognition and tracking, among other ludicrous ideas out of a necessity to sensationalize.