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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

55% of your countrymen chose fascism. If you don't want fascism I think it's time to leave.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Technically it's not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I'll admit that's not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there's also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it's going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.

[–] blubfisch@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Let me just leave this here:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

— Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely agree. I'm only talking about the fleeing the country part. Those of us who can stay are going to have to put in a lot of work, speaking out against fascism, protecting those who cannot flee, and being generally rebellious against tyranny.

If anything those of us who happen to not be directly in their crosshairs have a greater responsibility to speak out for the groups that are going to be targeted, because it could quickly get to a point where it's dangerous for those marginalized people to be as vocal. We cannot leave the most vulnerable to fight alone for their right to exist.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago

People that didn't vote, didn't bother either way, so my point still stands.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The ones who didn't vote are just as culpable as the ones who did.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Working on it, but for the overwhelming majority of people emigrating is a hell of a lot harder than just showing up in another country and saying "my place sucks, can I come in?"

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yup, I know. I wish you the best of luck.