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[–] nick@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

No. The stakes are too high for this bullshit. Better Kamala than an actual literal fascist.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The stakes are too high to not organize, voting for the Dems doesn't stop fascism, or even delay it.

MAGA is popular for the same reason other nationalist, fascist movements have risen over the course of modern history: as a response to Capitalist decay. MAGA isn't popular for genetic reasons, intellectual inferiority, or other reasons like that, but as a common class interest. All of the descriptors in the OP are consequences of the driving factor of class interests, not the drivers themselves.

Fascism is most often represented as an alliance between the Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie proper, driven by the Petite Bourgeoisie, as monopolization of Capital results in competition becoming more and more difficult, and the Petite Bourgeoisie faces Proletarianization. To prevent the Petite Bourgeoisie from joining the Proletariat in solidarity, the Bourgeoisie proper turns their hatred against the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat.

What does this all mean, in practical, American terms? Small business owners, landlords, ie the "middle class," is shrinking in power, so the Small Business Owners are aligning with billionaires like Musk and Bezos against immigrants, workers, unhoused peopled, gender/sexual minorities, women, ethnic minorities, and more.

How do we fix this? Grow the Petite Bourgeoisie and restore their position? Absolutely not! That's when fascism is established. Trying to "turn the clock back to the good old days" results in dramatic reductions in worker rights and a solidification of power.

What we need to do is establish Socialism. A victory of the Proletariat, a folding of the large monopolist syndicates into the public sector so they can be centrally planned for the public good, rather than privately planned for profit, is the way forward. This is the way to escape fascism's rise. This is the way to defeat MAGA.

I recommend reading the book Blackshirts and Reds, fascism's irrationality has rational, material origins, that can be understood and defeated, and it isn't in the "marketplace of ideas."

[–] nick@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s never happening dude, sorry; this shit’s way too entrenched. Until we start killing lobbyists and billionaires off, ain’t shit changing. Might as well be pushing Jill stein.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The answer is organizing. Join the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

If you do not organize, then you are fine with fascism.

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You haven't even demonstrated that there is a ship to steer. I'm very against fascism, which is why I'm voting for Kamala.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What do you mean, I haven't "demonstrated that there is a ship to steer?"

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Organizing has never led to someone getting into office. Voting has led to people getting into office.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Mambert@beehaw.org -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kinda an exception, don't you think?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The opposite, I'm arguing for revolution.

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can't vote for the non-fascist and also organize for revolution?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fascism isn't an idea, it's a defense mechanism. Voting isn't going to matter, vote for whoever you like, I don't care. You can vote for Harris if you join an org, how about that?

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Then make good on it. Voting is less than the bare minimum.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

You should organize against genocide, not support its perpetrators.

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Fascism is caused by systemic political and economic factors- basically when capitalist psuedo democracy runs out of runway and the capitalists choose to preserve capitalism over the concessions of bourgeois democracy.

If you care about democracy you have to join a socialist org and fight for socialism.