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This is a false choice fallacy done in bad faith. Nobody is voting in favour of the genocide by voting for the democrats.
Yeah, time to filter lemmy.ml. ah well
Kamala has promised to keep supplying weapons for the Genocide. There's no denying it anymore.
So did Trump.
This part always seems to be forgotten every time this comes up. Voting for Trump won't suddenly stop it. He'll either send just as much or more.
Look at the text on the bottom left of the meme
Look at the last two sentences I wrote.
Look at the first reply
I did. Has nothing to do what I wrote. Pointing out Trump isn't some hero of Gaza isn't a "But Trump" anything.
So, go back and read what I wrote. Or would you like a "But Trump" comment?
Where did the post say vote for trump
You think you're so clever because your meme doesn't say vote for Trump, but do you really think that we're that stupid that we wouldn't recognise a post designed to suppress the Democratic vote and enable Trump to win?
If you actually cared about the genocide in Gaza AT ALL you would be doing everything in your power to stop Donald "best president for Israel in the history of the world" Trump and the Republican literally-write-"Finish-them"-on-Israeli-bombs Party winning.
But you don't actually care about Gaza at all, you just care about keeping left leaning folks from voting.
You don't have to post 3 paragraphs to justify Democrats committing Genocide.
Look at the meme, and see the connection between our and your original post. You are the one who posted both.
I did where's the Trump part
That would be the implied answer in the meme and the first post.
Wow you're right i just replayed the meme backwards and it said 'vote for trump the Genocide is Palestine is a Russian psyop'
US presidential elections are a zero sum gain.
Well, if you put it in the picture then it must be a good argument.
/s
Just because one side is not 100% perfect doesn’t mean you have to support the side that is 100% bad. If you’re waiting for the perfect candidate who matches your beliefs on all point before voting you’ll never get to vote.
Why are there only two viable political parties?
It’s a result of the “first past the post” voting system used in the US. It naturally leads to a two party system.
Look, I don't like Kamala either and I think continuing to supply weapons is awful, obviously. But she's the only realistic option at this point. You can still protest the genocide in Gaza AFTER the election (and I fully support you doing so, Hell I might even meet you at one), but look at it this way: if Kamala wins, you at least have a chance to make a change over there, but if Trump wins again, every Palestinian is as good as dead. Do I like either option? No! Do I think our elections are a good system? No! Am I going to vote for Kamala anyway? Yes! Because at this point, the choice is between shooting ourselves in the foot or in the temple
Which presidential candidate won’t?
Claudia De La Cruz
She’s in the presidential election, but she’s not a presidential candidate when she’s on the ballot in 9 states.
You can write her in, can't you?
In 3 states.
Increasing over time.
In a better world it would be awesome to have her as a realistic candidate. But the shitty deal is that we probably have make it a better word first.
First past the post with electoral college has to be replaced.
How do you suggest we go about doing that?
Republicans use every chance they get to change the system in their favour. Republican rule will make it harder for anybody but them to win an election - even more so for candidates from outside of the duopoly.
Strange you're not saying Democrats to the same thing.
You didn't answer my question in any capacity. The Democrats don't want to get rid of FPTP because they would lose.
Seems like you have no plan, you're sleepwalking your way through and going to brunch.
How do you suggest we make a better world?
Kamala Harris:
The whole situation in Israel/Gaza is a mess. Innocent people are getting hurt on both sides. There are bad people doing horrible things on both sides. Real life is not a movie where the bad guys all conveniently wear the same uniform. Only children think the world is that simple. But hey, assuming the solution is simple saves you from hurting yourself by thinking about what is an incredibly complicated state of affairs.
Personally, I would prefer a president who acknowledges the complexity of the situation over one who thinks the world operates like we’re living in children’s book.
A suit and tie.
Plenty of good people wear a suit and tie. Plenty of bad people wear something else.
Cope
Wow. Amazing argument. Such eloquence.
Quote the weapons embargo in the paragraph
Again, overly simplistic solution to a complicated problem. Something a child would come up with, not the potential president of the US.
Got it so Democrat voters endorse sending weapons to israel for Genocide. Glad you are honest about it.
It must be wonderful to live in a world that is so simple, even if it’s just a fantasy.
Do you disagree with the idea that the "lesser evil" has been getting steadily more evil?
Yes, I do actually. There’s no denying that they have a long way to go, they at least seem to be trying to push in a better and more positive direction. And, yes, there are of course bad people among democrats as well. In an ideal world I’d rather have some other party to throw my support behind, but with the fptp duopoly the democrats are, by far, the best choice.
How are they moving in a positive trend?