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Is this not a neo-Nazi/far right platform? I only ever see them linking antivax and evropa content on Odysee. That’s where I’ve heard of it.
Far right content is more common than on YouTube because of the guidelines, but in my experience the largest parts are crypto, privacy and similar, also a decent amount is gaming (at least that’s what I upload)
I've noticed that the Linux and open-source community is pretty big there, too; with a lot of them being part of the privacy community. I'm a part of this community on Odysee.
In my experience the Linux people are considerably more on peertube compared to its site, but this may just specific to the channels I watch
Its a mix of both in my exp. A deciding factor I think is money source for the creator. If it subscription (librepay, opencollective, patreon, etc) peertube is fine for them. If the primarily get paid more directly odessy is more enticing (because of its built in payment system).
I don't use PeerTube much, but I plan to. This is probably why I didn't know it was bigger with Linux users. Though it makes sense since I tend to see PeerTube mentioned and linked to far more often on the internet than Odysee.
Well I never happened to see anything related to these topics on Odysee. I mostly used to follow tech stuff as my other hobbies like cars and basketball aren’t really present on the platform.
If you have some favourite YouTube channels from the cars and basketball world, you should try contacting them personally and asking them to sync their channel with Odysee. Even if they choose not to; at least they've heard of it now, know at least some of their audience may want them to, and may consider it in the future 🙂.
It might not work asking in YouTube comments though, but it's worth a try. The reason I say this is I've personally tried it multiple times over the past year, and strangely I've been noticing that YouTube appear to be switching between banning the word "Odysee" spelled specifically that way, and not banning it. I would comment something with the word Odysee, and no matter what happens, it would immediately disappear the moment I refresh the page -- commenting anything else would work fine. A few months later, I tried it again and it worked. Some time after that, it stopped working again, and it was like that for quite a while. Fast forward a month or two, and I again checked it a few days ago, and it seems to be currently working again; and all my previous comments from the past about Odysee have reappeared in my comment history, when they previously would not appear in my comment history. So now could be a good time to comment. It wasn't a glitch with my account, because I tried it with two separate ones.
"Associate your personal brand with the fringe-right/antivax/Nazi YouTube! What could possibly go wrong?"
I can see my favorite channel now "I have zero interest in learning a new platform to have to figure out, I have a hard enough time with the mainstream sources" lmao
we went over this with Twitter, "I am not learning another social platform, when Twitter dies I will just not have any SM Presense except discord"
What are you quoting? I didn't say any of that.
I'm quoting what the last streamer who I followed stated when asked whether they would jump off Twitter when Twitter went to shit and everyone jumped ship.
It isn't exclusively a Neo-Nazi platform, but it is a free-speech absolutist platform, so they have absolutely no problem platforming Nazis.
It's basically the 4chan of tube sites. All are welcome, but if you aren't a fascist you probably won't fit in.
something something if there's a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 nazis
That logic would make you a communist at Lemmy.
I don't really think that's true, so long as you stay off the tankie instance. I have it blocked.
Well, LBRY which odysee is a frontend for is decentralized, so you can host your own odysee-like instance and block content on there almost the same way as you can host one here and defederate. So it's not that different from Lemmy. It is all decentralized after all.
If one Nazi is allowed into a bar, it’s a Nazi bar. I’ll continue to steer clear.
I ain't a fascist, Neo-Nazi, far-rightist, or any of the things Odysee is falsely marked by people as being, and I fit in just fine with my fellow Odysee users. Stop attacking one of the only companies who are truly trying to be the change they want to see in the world.
please. If you're going to spew this droll bullshit at least be aware that receipts exist.
so lets dive in shall we?
Odysee was built on the back of LBRY another typical crypto scam bullshit that was broke. couldn't even pay a 100k lawsuit against them when the SEC took them to court and they went bust. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/16/lbry-closes-odysee-cryptocurrency-tech-sec-fraud-extremist
Also you say you're not a nazi but hey your platform of choice sure does love em! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/14/odysee-video-platform-nazi-content-not-grounds-for-removal
They're also anti physically and mentally disabled: https://www.dailycal.org/archives/lbry-public-sharing-platform-uploads-20-000-deleted-uc-berkeley-lectures/article_14cffebb-7495-5bea-93f9-ae49d03fcf7a.html thy reuploaded 20,000 lecture videos that were deemed illegal by the US Department of Justice for violating the American Disabilities Act. So they don't care about deaf people. cool.
They also don't moderate shit: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/technology/big-tech-power-bitcoin.html They say they'll allow anything other then porn and calls to violence and terrorism buuuuuut they allow porn, calls to violence, and terrorism. Hell just checking out the "lifestyle" section you'll see that what they state they'll moderate just isn't true.
Banned users from other platforms are welcome with open arms on Odysee: https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2021-04-19/from-cooking-videos-to-qanon-n-h-based-video-platform-attracts-users-banned-elsewhere you know, People banned for good reason.
If you allow a nazi to drink in your bar, even if it's just one, you're a nazi bar.
cause, you know, the Global Network on Extremism and Terrorism called it "The New Youtube for the Far-Right" https://gnet-research.org/2021/02/17/odysee-the-new-youtube-for-the-far-right/
So you saying you're not a facist, neo-nazi, or any of that is funny considering you SURE DO love hanging out with them.
"When someone tells you who they are, believe them."
Nothing about the LBRY token was a scam. You just hate cryptocurrency. Who needs literally the only form of decentralized online currency, right?
That's how bans work. You are not supposed to be banned on platforms where you haven't violated any rules. Getting banned on YouTube for saying something controversial on Twitter is not right.
"If you allow a nazi to drink in your bar, even if it's just one, you're a nazi bar." Is such a shit take, considering you're at a communist bar.
I agree with most of your points, but "anti physically and mentally disabled"? Really? Your source describes how they reuploaded unsubtitled lectures for the sake of preservation. This is hardly a villanous move and has nothing to do with "not caring about deaf people". Let's keep the arguments honest, you have plenty else to stick them with that's actually substantial.
Even the rest just boils down to "these people say that they're nazis, so it must be true" and "nazis are bad. If you give them fair treatment, you're one yourself."
And when it comes to these nazis/white supremacists, I am willing to bet what labelled them as such was criticizing some DEI, or maybe complaining about "wokeness" which is far from the Heiling skinhead that people associate with nazis.
It is so hard to trust a single word of anyone nowadays that describes people as nazis. I'd be fine with taking back this statement if the actual videos/posts/whatever from the so called nazis were posted here so that I could see for myself, rather than what some traditional news media has to say about them.
I was posting in another subthread about this too. The front page on Odysee had some conservatives videos, and one crazy 5d energy conspiracy video, but none of the videos brought up were far-right or white supremacist, but they sure were circled and pointed out as such.
To be honest, I've been using the website and I notice nothing of this. I can click a few links and get to said content, yes, but my feed and some of the categories I check are on par with YouTube. The only big difference I experience is that there's much more content of smaller content creators.
I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories. To be fair, I have the tiniest of audiences anyway, so... doesn't really matter either way.
Haven't checked in on Odyssee for a while though. Not sure if the auto mirror thing still works.
I found your channel, and yeah, your latest YouTube uploads are still being synced to Odysee.
Thanks for checking :D that is pretty cool.
Same.
And I've noticed that there seems to be a very small user base there.
My videos and most in my niche only get 10s of views on Odysee.
When I go browsing around outside of my niche, I tend to find quite a bit of right wing conspiracy stuff. Not really who I want to be associated with, but it's not nearly as bad as some of the other (now failed) "free speech " video platforms that came before it.
Cool. What's your channel? I have a gaming channel for no-commentary playthrough's. It's not synced from YouTube, though.
🤤👌 The best content.
Honestly, I might just have to think about getting into that type if thing. I am not one for editing anyway.
Go on!
There may be content generators on there you can label that way, but that doesn't make the platform neo-nazi.
You take all of the stuff excluded from a big platform and put it on a small platform, and it'll swamp every other topic out. If as a platform runner you feel that you should not censor others, then this can happen.
On the flip side, there's nothing stopping other with less controversial opinions to post there as well. Nobody is going to be told their channel about supercars isnt racist enough, or their politics channel is too-left communist.
Strongly disagree with you. If you have a bar that tolerates Nazis, you’ll find that bar becomes a Nazi bar over time. To commingle with Nazis is to accept them and their ideology.
I’d have a very hard time sending people to my videos if they sit next to a white replacement theory video.
I think Odysee has created far fewer Nazis than sites with addiction exploiting algorithms that say they remove such topics.
Pretty much, unfortunately. And the people who run Odysee have repeatedly, time and time again, defended Nazis, white supremacists, far-right conspiracies, videos calling for genocide, etc.
Although in fairness to my knowledge they haven't done what Musk has done for example and said "free speech! [Unless you disagree with dear leader, then it's an account ban]"
Ya that’s exactly what I would like to NOT support.
I sure haven't seen any far right videos on there. My suggestions are always open source, linux, science, mental outlaw and Louis Rossman.
If there is far right content, it definitely is filtered away if you don't watch similar content. I checked out the featured tab just now and didn't find anything remotely political.
I have. Literally checked out the the site for the first time today because of this post. it's literally on their front page. I don't have an account there, private window, all that and I still got it either far right or racist or conspiracy bullshit.
OK, the 3d to 5d consciousness video is conspiracy bullshit by some religious nutjob, that is for sure. And the comments in that video seemed to shit on the creator, so it is not like people are agreeing with it. I agree it is insane.
But the rest of the videos you'll have to explain to me what makes them far-right, and racist, because they just seemed typically conservative to me, and some of the points made sense. For example, thinking the Olympics opening ceremony was boring and overall bad doesn't make you far right.
Now, I just skimmed over the videos so I might have missed something, but I saw nothing that would for example get you banned on youtube. Maybe they'd get you false copyright struck for showing the Olympics opening ceremony because apparently that's been happening to critics on youtube, so I understand why they would rather post it on odysee.
The assassins creed video is just plain true. I'm not conservative, but I do live in Japan, and there is definitely anger over the cultural appropriation and misrepresentation of Japanese history. The video summarizes the points but nothing stated is far-right.
Babylon bee has been called "far-right" by the NYT at one point, but it was then amended and they apologized, so as far as I know, it is another typical conservative news media and mostly satire. I skimmed over this video too, but didn't see anything far-right in it. It seemed to be about censorship, and had some fair points to be honest.
So to summarize, They're conservative, and I don't agree with all of the points, but they're not far-right. Except for that conspiracy nutjob video, none of these need to be removed from any platform.
Most of those videos are also found on YouTube. I would expect that you don't see those videos suggested to you because the algorithm has learned what you like to watch.
If you open up YouTube with a VPN and in a private tab you'll likely get search results that include a mix from both the right and the left.
I'd rather not link to them, but from the ones you circled, these are the videos that I found on YouTube while doing a quick search:
Now please excuse me as I purge my history...
I'm there because some of my favorite streamers, like MentalOutlaw, are there. I know there will be people who hold an opinion or view that i disagree with but the same is true here. I'm not saying that there is hate speech here but i can't expect every site i visit to be sunshines and rainbows just for me.
You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don't censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals. They do have community guidelines after all, since they can't legally host... illegal content. In that sense there is censorship because they can't not censor things to some extent; but the free speech and large lack of censorship is their goal regardless. As an Odysee user for over 2 years, this is the minority of content on the platform. Where you do see that content that breaks the rules... that's what the report button is for.
My understanding was that Odysee served the purpose to upload videos that could no longer be uploaded on YouTube due to YouTube’s community guidelines. The time I checked out that website the front page was full of manosphere types and the Evropa documentary and anti vax crap
That was never the purpose of the platform, otherwise it would have been marketed that way. The platform allows more content than YouTube does, so it's not far-fetched to assume that people would use the platform for that, and tell others they should use the platform because of that. What random people on the internet promoted the platform being good for is not the same thing as the platform owners themselves creating the platform for that very purpose. If you really care about the "purpose" of the platform, just watch some of LBRY's oldest videos on the platform from before the Odysee frontend even existed yet for LBRY; where they were first revealing their visions for the platform and the progress they had made.
Also note that plenty of people upload stuff to Odysee for their preservation efforts. Just because some documentary that talks about medical misinformation or promotes a conspiracy theory (for example), exists on the platform; it doesn't necessarily mean that it's there to promote the idea; it's simply there so that people who want to see the video can see it. I'll watch content that was censored from YouTube and other big-tech social media platforms because I just want to see what was said. People have the right to that level of freedom; Odysee provides it because they should.
This implies that marketing is always or usually honest. I would argue that the exact reverse is true. In fact I was involved once in a series of marketing meetings where a marketing guru who had worked with some huge companies said flat out that "marketing is a lie" and he meant it literally. He explained that you're selling an idea, and thus it wouldn't be possible for it to be actually honest. Since you cannot buy a product that will solve all your problems, and yet that idea is implied in most ads. Happy smiling people somehow result from anything you can buy? Pfft.
Obviously that's not going to be how you market a video platform exactly, but also they were never going with a tagline like "Because YouTube doesn't allow bigotry!" whether it's true or not. Facebook doesn't market their service as a way to monetize your personal data despite the fact that it's exactly what it is. Marketing is inherently misleading at best.
That's just a different way of phrasing what was said and you seem to be disputing...
All neo-nazi /far right content promotes violence and hatred to individuals, since groups are made up of individuals.
Yikes. So if there weren't laws, they would let worse stuff fly than endorsing genocide.