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Odysee, a decentralised YouTube alternative focused on free speech, is officially ending the serving of ads on the platform, starting today. The post:

"Dear friends of Odysee, Starting today, we're removing all ads. We don't need ads to make money as a platform and we are confident in the development of our own new monetisation programs that will help creators earn a living and at the same time keep Odysee alive. Ultimately, sacrificing the overall user experience to make a few bucks isn't worth it to us and nor is it even sustainable for a platform that wishes to make something truly open and creatively free.

As we take this decision, one thing is certain to us, media platforms (even ones that market themselves as 'free-speech') typically devolve into advertising companies and end up becoming beholden to their paymasters. It's been that way for centuries and is never going to change.

As we see YouTube become more aggressive with their ad deployment and 'Free Speech' platforms try to build their own ad businesses it's apparent to us that we're building a model for Odysee that will keep it sustainable not only financially, but in its ability to provide an incorruptible user experience.

Our approach may be considered niche or unconventional, that's fine by us. Odysee will be used by the world on terms that are agreeable to its users, and we know our users don't like ads.

Best, Founder & Creator, Chief Executive Officer. Julian Chandra"

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[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Is this not a neo-Nazi/far right platform? I only ever see them linking antivax and evropa content on Odysee. That’s where I’ve heard of it.

[–] Imperor@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories. To be fair, I have the tiniest of audiences anyway, so... doesn't really matter either way.

Haven't checked in on Odyssee for a while though. Not sure if the auto mirror thing still works.

[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Cool. What's your channel? I have a gaming channel for no-commentary playthrough's. It's not synced from YouTube, though.

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[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Far right content is more common than on YouTube because of the guidelines, but in my experience the largest parts are crypto, privacy and similar, also a decent amount is gaming (at least that’s what I upload)

[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've noticed that the Linux and open-source community is pretty big there, too; with a lot of them being part of the privacy community. I'm a part of this community on Odysee.

[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In my experience the Linux people are considerably more on peertube compared to its site, but this may just specific to the channels I watch

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[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well I never happened to see anything related to these topics on Odysee. I mostly used to follow tech stuff as my other hobbies like cars and basketball aren’t really present on the platform.

[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If you have some favourite YouTube channels from the cars and basketball world, you should try contacting them personally and asking them to sync their channel with Odysee. Even if they choose not to; at least they've heard of it now, know at least some of their audience may want them to, and may consider it in the future 🙂.

It might not work asking in YouTube comments though, but it's worth a try. The reason I say this is I've personally tried it multiple times over the past year, and strangely I've been noticing that YouTube appear to be switching between banning the word "Odysee" spelled specifically that way, and not banning it. I would comment something with the word Odysee, and no matter what happens, it would immediately disappear the moment I refresh the page -- commenting anything else would work fine. A few months later, I tried it again and it worked. Some time after that, it stopped working again, and it was like that for quite a while. Fast forward a month or two, and I again checked it a few days ago, and it seems to be currently working again; and all my previous comments from the past about Odysee have reappeared in my comment history, when they previously would not appear in my comment history. So now could be a good time to comment. It wasn't a glitch with my account, because I tried it with two separate ones.

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There may be content generators on there you can label that way, but that doesn't make the platform neo-nazi.

You take all of the stuff excluded from a big platform and put it on a small platform, and it'll swamp every other topic out. If as a platform runner you feel that you should not censor others, then this can happen.

On the flip side, there's nothing stopping other with less controversial opinions to post there as well. Nobody is going to be told their channel about supercars isnt racist enough, or their politics channel is too-left communist.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Strongly disagree with you. If you have a bar that tolerates Nazis, you’ll find that bar becomes a Nazi bar over time. To commingle with Nazis is to accept them and their ideology.

I’d have a very hard time sending people to my videos if they sit next to a white replacement theory video.

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[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)

You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don't censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals. They do have community guidelines after all, since they can't legally host... illegal content. In that sense there is censorship because they can't not censor things to some extent; but the free speech and large lack of censorship is their goal regardless. As an Odysee user for over 2 years, this is the minority of content on the platform. Where you do see that content that breaks the rules... that's what the report button is for.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago

You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don’t censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals.

All neo-nazi /far right content promotes violence and hatred to individuals, since groups are made up of individuals.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much, unfortunately. And the people who run Odysee have repeatedly, time and time again, defended Nazis, white supremacists, far-right conspiracies, videos calling for genocide, etc.

Although in fairness to my knowledge they haven't done what Musk has done for example and said "free speech! [Unless you disagree with dear leader, then it's an account ban]"

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Ya that’s exactly what I would like to NOT support.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

It isn't exclusively a Neo-Nazi platform, but it is a free-speech absolutist platform, so they have absolutely no problem platforming Nazis.

It's basically the 4chan of tube sites. All are welcome, but if you aren't a fascist you probably won't fit in.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If one Nazi is allowed into a bar, it’s a Nazi bar. I’ll continue to steer clear.

[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I ain't a fascist, Neo-Nazi, far-rightist, or any of the things Odysee is falsely marked by people as being, and I fit in just fine with my fellow Odysee users. Stop attacking one of the only companies who are truly trying to be the change they want to see in the world.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are they still using LBRY? Or did they switch to a different protocol?

[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They officially announced they were switching to the Arweave protocol in a post a little under a month ago, but I'm not sure if it's happened yet; haven't looked further into it yet, and it was revealed by other sources a little while prior to that.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I was curious what Arweave was, so I went to their site.

Turns out it's yet another crypto scheme.

I was though this statement on their landing page was particularly funny:

The Arweave protocol is stable, mature and widely adopted.

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[–] BlackLaZoR@kbin.run 0 points 3 months ago

And how will they support themselves? Another crypto scheme to battle out with SEC?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Finally: ad-free Nazi Propaganda.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (13 children)

I think that Chandra has a point - media platforms do often devolve into ad companies, once they rely on advertisement money to survive. Because once someone is paying for a platform's continued existence, they can dictate the terms, by simply threatening to stop paying for it.

And, granted, Odysee is a Nazi and crypto bro haven, but the point still stands - let us not be fools saying "Hitler ate bread so bread bad".

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[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most such attempts fail when not enough people subscribe to paying tiers. Good luck to them nevertheless, I hope they succeed.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Good luck to them nevertheless, I hope they succeed.

Personally, I hope the platform that welcomes Nazis crashes and burns.

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[–] DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If anyone does want to support them, even by a small amount, and don't have much money, I personally recommend subscribing for a month or two to the Premium+ subsciption, which is only $2.99/month. It's all I can afford atm personally, so that's what I'm going to be doing. They deserve support just for this action alone.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I don't understand how that's much different than YouTube. If you pay for YouTube then you don't get ads either.

[–] Melt@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The difference is your favorite channel won't be destroyed by a corporate abusing copyright strike, they won't have to self-censor themselves from saying fuck or shit. A platform making money from ads means every content creator on that platform is a slave to the advertisers

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 3 months ago

Good luck to them

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