Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is. It is the act by which one part of the population imposes its will on the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannons — by the most authoritarian means possible; and the victors, if they do not want to have fought in vain, must maintain this rule by means of the terror which their arms inspire in the reactionaries. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if the communards had not used the authority of the armed people against the bourgeoisie? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach them for not having used it enough?

Therefore, we must conclude one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don’t know what they’re talking about, in which case they are only sowing confusion; or they do know, in which case they are betraying the proletarian movement. In either case, they serve reaction.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

People seriously still quote On Authority? 🙄

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I found the quote interesting. Is the source material bad? How so?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Engels conflates authority with basically everything: necesity, organization, processes, -iolence, self-defense, etc.

This video thoroughly debunks the essay

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

An anticommunist breadtuber (but I repeat myself) debunks Engels 😂 Anarchism, unlike Marxism-Leninism, has yet to succeed in the real world for more than a few months. We will welcome anarchists’ lectures once they’ve proven their theory in praxis.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (11 children)

He literally just cites abridged arguments from “The problems with on authority”

Read "A Marxist Response to “The problems with on authority” ": https://hexbear.net/post/2141265

Also yeah, I watched it so everyone else doesn't have to waste time

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To this day, nobody's actually articulated any counterpoints to it, so yeah.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Just cause you chose to ignore the well-founded critique, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, Engels does a pretty good job of explaining why "authouritarian" complaints are usually explained purely by vibes.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago (45 children)

He mostly explained how he actually didn't really have a proper grasp of what authority actually means. He conflated them with a lot of things without actually making sense. I'm surprised why "On authority" is so widely known.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Let me guess, you've read "The problems with on authority", but haven't read "A Marxist Response to "The problems with on authority" " ?

Here you go: https://hexbear.net/post/2141265

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