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Many white supremacists ARE anti-authoritarian.
No, they arent. Theyre unhappy with the current authorities, but they simp hard for the authorities of the 50s and 60s, especially the southern authorities.
I see you've never actually met any white supremacists.
You do realize that "not liking the current government" and being anti authoritarian are two very different things.
I know, and I meant it. Many of these guys are against any sort of authority. They don't want to be in charge, they want chaos.
I have met plenty of trump supporters and they are racist bootlickers.
So, no.
I see. We are just plaining calling me a liar now.
Have a nice day.
I'm saying you don't have the context to understand. I do, but you're not interested in listening, so whatever. It's not a critically important issue. But from these conversations I can see I'm the only one here who actually grew up surrounded by white supremacists. The rest of y'all only have second or third hand info.
But again, it's not a hill worth dying on so whatever.
It's 100% authoritarian to believe that "whites" are supreme.
Not in the traditional sense of the word. Say Joe is a white supremacist. He's white and he's poor. He believes that all whites are better than all minorities. However, Joe is also not in power, because other white people are in power, and Joe doesn't like those other white people (though Joe prefers the powerful white people to any minorities). Joe will work with the powerful white people to keep minorities down, but otherwise his goals and believes are different than those of the powerful white people, and he resents them.
Southern prisons are full of people like Joe. Joe has some power in everyday life over minorities, due to the racist society he lives in and supports. But it's a big stretch to say Joe is in power. Cops, judges, and politicians are in power. Joe steals catalytic converters and sells meth.
being racist has absolutely nothing to do with being authoritarian.
What? Most of them "back the blue" which is about as authoritarian as you can get
In my experience, they tend to side with cops against minorities, but only to that extent. They tend to be the methy, gas-station-robber types who don't get on well with cops.
So like most Authoritarians then? They're all for it until their side isn't in charge anymore.
Not quite. White supremacists also overlap with the whole "rebel" and "rugged individualist" and "prepper" mindsets. Which are fundamentally incompatible with central authority in any way.
I guess you could really split white supremacists into two camps, the authoritarian and anti-authoritarian camps. You'll find a lot of the latter in prison gangs, and a lot of the former among the police. The two don't always get along, is my point. They both hate minorities, but they're otherwise quite different.
They are the cops. Look up just about every far-right protest in the past century and how they're given a police escort to and from the site. How the cops look the other way when there is right wing started violence and there is grave injury or death. How white supremicist cops that kill face unpaid time off way more than jail time.
These authoritarian right wingers are anti-authority to the point they want to exterminate all authority who keep them from violently suppressing anyone who doesn't want to oppress others. And they have to intimidate, cheat, lie, appoint other crooked liars because they'll never win the votes they need from a free electorate. The voting majority thinks they are wrong.
You need to broaden your sources of information.
Oh? Do tell. Great post btw. What's next? A damning Do YoUr OwN ReSeArCh?
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You're wrong, but also combative, clearly don't care about the right answer and are looking for a fight
So, you know
Not worth my time
It's all academic anyway. Making sure you know about the different types of white supremacist is not really important. So if you want to fight, fight someone else about something else.
You saying "broaden your sources of information" is you saying "do your own research" otherwise you would have shared sources that say otherwise.
But you're not here to argue in good faith you're here to paint me as combatitive and bow out of the argument acting like you can take some high road but still not bringing anything constructive to the conversation.
You saying "not worth your time" is you saying "I have no idea and you called me out so now I have to save face". And the fact that you consider someone replying to you in any way a "fight"? Well you're gonna have to work on that with someone professional. You aren't a victim when someone disagrees with you. Toughen up.
Don't downplay white supremacists by saying "well it's only like the meth heads that agree with the cops against minorities" because that is absolutely incorrect. And it makes you sound like you are downplaying white supremecy to not be a big deal since it's "only the meth heads" and meth heads are bad. The problem is that it's not just them but also politicians, police, solidiers, your fellow church-goers, your priests/pastors, etc.
If you are having a rough go of it currently and need someone to talk to, let me know. I'm here, friend.
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