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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh no, people here have biases different from your own. The horror! Meanwhile, I provided sources in other responses in this thread. You could also just spend your time to google this stuff yourself instead of trolling here, it's not exactly hidden.

Bye!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Pretty much all my interactions with the community here have been positive, aside from a few toxic trolls such as yourself. Maybe take your own advice there champ.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I have backed up my claims with evidence and sources. Stay mad troll.

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The Illustrated DeepSeek-R1 (newsletter.languagemodels.co)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Exactly, in the west competition between companies is a zero sum game. This precludes companies from cooperating on technology, and leads to a lot of duplicated effort as people reinvent the wheel over and over. In China, competition is often a positive sum game where everybody gets to learn from each other, and move forward together.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Just ignore it, upvotes and downvotes ultimately mean nothing.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's obviously not since the whole reason DeepSeek is interesting is the new mixture of experts algorithm that it introduces. If you don't understand the subject then maybe spend a bit of time learning about it instead of adding noise to the discussion?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I expect we're going to be seeing a lot of crazy technological advancement coming out of China in the coming years. They've basically caught up with the west now, but technology doesn't progress linearly. There are mutually reinforcing effects from different technological breakthroughs that all combine to accelerate progress. And the other big aspect is that China actively direct technological development towards socially useful areas. Meanwhile in the west, technology is developed primarily to create profit for the financial capitalist class with little regard of any social value.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It doesn't mean it's easy, but it is certainly possible if somebody was dedicated enough. At the end of the day you could even use the open source code DeepSeek published and your own training data to train a whole new model with whatever biases you like.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I don't really care what you think bud. Stay in your lane.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

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Pérotin’s research reveals that cooperatives with measures like asset locks and collective capital accumulation tend to be more productive (as seen in French cooperatives) or better at preserving jobs (as in Italian cooperatives) than conventional capitalist enterprises. Much of their success can be attributed to the fact that in a labor-managed firm, members actively participate in decisions that directly affect their employment and income risks. A participatory structure mitigates the potential for managerial moral hazard, leading to more informed and responsible decision-making regarding investment, strategy, and human resources.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It has everything to do with the tech being open. You can dispute it all you like, but the fact is that all the code and research behind it is open. Anybody could build a new model from scratch using open data if they wanted to. That's what matters.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

It's where the archive redirects from the link, looks like they revised it significantly.

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