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How about you promise to remove your build in spyware?
Musnt anger the shareholders
I don't even care if it's opt-in. I don't want dormant malware on my PC either.
To be clear. I actually like Windows 11. I don't care about the general telemetry, though I disabled the typing data crap. Most of the things in the last few months about ads in Windows, about blocking apps, etc have been overblown and aren't actually big problems in isolation. Even this is a little overblown right now as it requires an NPU which the vast majority of systems don't have. But, this is just so tone-deaf and an obviously terrible idea that it needs to be put down hard.
Yeah, they're so focused on screwing me over that I'm worried eventually I'll miss something.
I don't want *dormant* malware on my PC either.
"Why not?"
--Micro$oft, probably
as it requires an NPU which the vast majority of systems don't have
Don't have at the time. I agree with you but argument that it's not an issue for many people right now will bite the majority eventually
Most of the things in the last few months about ads in Windows, about blocking apps, etc have been overblown and aren't actually big problems in isolation.
Any telemetry sent without a very clearly informed opt in is malicious. Any ad in an OS is malicious. There is no valid justification for either.
If somebody shows you who they really are, believe them the first time...
Shame I stopped believing that BS from them circa winME…
Too late Microsoft, I jumped into the Linux pool and the water is fine.
Exactly. Running fedora desktop and I am thinking why the move does.not do more poeple. The only Microsoft junk I am using is the corporation laptop and that I am sure wont get this function.
There is no way I'm going to use a machine where they can turn on something remotely though a update or some other fashion. I probably won't even have a 11 vm at home now. I'll keep the 10 vm for its minor uses until it can no longer do the few things I use it for but that is it for me. Remove that garbage or lose more of us macroshaft.
It boggles the mind this isn't an external download you have to specifically navigate to their website to download and install. The fact it is soon to be on Win 11 systems, just a toggle away, is terrifying. Particularly since lots of people handle your personal data, while data collectors like this are on their machines (and many of those machines will have the collector turned on).
I wish, now have a i9-14900KF, so guessing no more Windows 10 anymore. Planning to make a Linux partition, but frustrating the way that Windows tries so adamantly to take boot priority.
We have seen this game 100 times. Opt in for now and then turned on for everyone 6-12 months later. It's just a temporary move to handle the bad PR.
registry switch that'll mysteriously reset itself. we've had this shit with countless windows configurations at work that our IT guy has to battle with on the regular.
I've had so many people jump down my throat for listing some of the many obviously fucked things Microsoft did on my PC just over the life of Windows 10. (And not that it should matter, but I even paid for Pro).
I turned all their various advertising and spying "features" off through legitimate settings, group policies, whatever, and the list of things that reverted themselves over time was insane.
User: Goes through 15 step process to turn off unwanted "feature".
Windows: I turned this on, in case it got turned off accidentally. I'll do this every reboot.
You forgot the best part
Silently turned on via "security" update
It's a security update because it adds new security vulnerabilities.
Same as it ever was
Or the other trick of constantly prompting "Turn on / Maybe Later" until people either accidentally accept or just give up to make nagging stop.
It will now require Windows Hello (via facial recognition and/or fingerprint)
So Microsoft also wants my fingerprints and a realtime capture of my face? Yeah that totally addresses my concerns. /S
I maintain one baremetal Windows install that gets fairly regular use. It's on a business class workstation with a legit Windows 10 pro license.
Recently, I had to wipe and reset and goddamn do they try and trick you into choosing all the worst spyware settings AND even if you successfully duck and weave past them, they'll just cheat and enable them, or reinstall shit like co-pilot during an update.
They just made me sign into that shitty M365 app to install legit subscription Office, and on the next reboot, it converted my local user account into an online user account.
Make no mistake, Recall is going to be enabled by hook, or by crook, for the vast majority of Windows 11 users in due time. No matter how times they disable it, or opt out.
Yup. We’re back to the old days where Microsoft didn’t give a damn and enabled things by default.
It’ll take less than a decade before they get sued, yet again. By then, the penalty will be <5% of what they’ve made, but the merry go round will circle back and start all over.
Why the hell wasn't it opt-in from the beginning?
I like daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaata
-- Microsoft
It'll be opt-in, till it isn't.
For the same reason it used an unprotected DB. Because they don't give a shit about your privacy or security.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Today, Microsoft announced it is addressing a recent backlash around Windows Recall, its controversial forthcoming AI-powered search service that works by taking a snapshot of your PC every 5 seconds.
Recently, it was discovered that the feature stores data unencrypted on the device.
The company says it will ensure Windows Recall data is safe by employing "just-in-time" protection, which ensures the data is only decrypted when the user authenticates into the app with Windows Hello.
Additionally, Microsoft says it will make Windows Recall an opt-in experience, meaning it won't be enabled by default on Copilot+ PCs.
Microsoft also says it's making further security improvements to Windows Recall.
It will now require Windows Hello (via facial recognition and/or fingerprint) to be set up on the system and require the user to be present in front of the screen to access Recall data.
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Windows 10 will be the last windows I will use. Already switching to Linux at least part time to wean myself off of Microsoft
Ok, I'm gonna be perfectly honest, Microsoft recall, copilot, hello... I don't know what any of these things are. And I'm pretty sure I like it that way.
I do use Windows every day, (windows 10 and 7), but I haven't heard any reason to ever upgrade from these. All these "services" do not seem like a "value add" to me.
What about the right to be forgotten? Where is that feature? Why isn't Microsoft making and marketing a version of Windows with something like "Windows Forget"?
I'll tell you why: no opportunity to double dip by collecting and selling your personal data.
Losing all your government contracts can be a great motivator.
I'm really hoping this shit is banned on all government and corporate computers. But, with how poor IT competence is.....such a ban will be sporadic at best.
Windows 10 will be the last I work on. I work in tech and won't accept 11 as a work environment either.
As a reminder this was the go-to play for Facebook when they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Default it off until nobody's looking and change it slightly so it was named 'differently' and on it went again.
Opt-in does not matter, if I message or email someone who has it on, my personal data has been collected without my knowledge or consent.
This shouldnt have been built in the first place, it's irresponsible
This raises an excellent point not considered. This goes for all texts as well if the other person uses the "your phone" app. Discord, matrix, signal, telegram etc are all compromised by this existing on a system.
Will my browser's "private mode" be respected or it is going to store every inappropriate thing I search?
Are password managers safe? How about bank security questions? How often are those actaully obfuscated. The last 4 digits of social security numbers are usually unobfuscated, who also what a lot of intuitions (stupidly) use to verify your ID over the phone. What if I want to look at the PDF of my tax documents?
What if my HR manager has this enabled and starts viewing PDFs containing private information about employees, payroll data, finances and whatever else is sellable on the dark web.
How about govermnet data? Sure maybe the pentagon IT staff will completely block it, but what about local gov committee ABC that's collecting voter information?
That type of data is valuable enough that it will be targeted regardless of what protection MS attempts. Based on the fact they didnt bother encytping the data from the start, my faith is low.
The implications of this are insane.
Def considering fedora for my surface 7. Microsoft & their shit is unacceptable.
opt-in until next update when it will be enabled "magically"
Let me tell exactly what will happen.
We are currently at Step 1
This comment is taken from another lemmy post but I forgot the username. Apologies.
If you don't opt in you will miss essential security updates and you will become a terrorist
I've been researching wine and proton for Linux. Fuck windows! The only reason I still use it is for gaming but if wine works as advertised I'll be switching to Linux.
Add Lutris to that list. If anything doesn't work in WINE, try installing via Lutris. My AxeFX's GUI now works flawlessly thanks to an older version of WINE running in Lutris.
As someone who made the leap, I haven't booted Windows in months. Proton, Steam, and Lutris cover basically everything I play.
We're you already familiar with Linux or follow a guide? Lot of products I'm not familiar with there.
"we will change nothing but announce it like we did"
