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Oh tell me again how it loads faster and takes up less resources (lemmy.ml)
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[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I've switched to Firefox but there's definitely a few things that irritate me about it.

First thing is when I boot up my computer, launch Firefox, it launches long enough for me to click a bookmark then closes to perform an update. And then doesn't automatically reopen...

I also have it set to not "remember" my tabs after closing. Yet when I launch Firefox for the first time after rebooting or closing ally tabs, it gives me a "hmm.. we're having a hard time finding your previous session" message. Uh, yeah, I told you not to look for it.. can I just have the regular "new tab" page?

It also might just be because I'm used to chrome, but I feel the mobile app is severely lacking. I hate that I can't access my bookmarks directly from the new tab page, and that the tablet version doesn't show you your bookmark bar. The synchronization between mobile and desktop isn't great either, I'll have a very long specific search query that I've used multiple times on my phone, yet it doesn't offer it for auto-complete on desktop, I have to search the entire term again or go digging through my history. When you're searching long model numbers and the like, this is incredibly frustrating.

Finally, and I don't know if this is a Firefox issue, but there's some memory leak that occurs when viewing a webcam stream from my raspberry pi that only has happened in Firefox. The first time I noticed it happening my PC slowed to a crawl, when task manager finally opened Firefox was taking 23GB of RAM. So I have to use chrome to keep that steam open for more than a few minutes at a time.

[–] ftbd@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm curious as to why Firefox is checking for updates, have you configured it to do so? I've never seen Firefox do that (and it feels weird to have a program sidestep the update mechanism of the package manager)

[–] Darorad@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

They're probably on windows

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

This might be fixed on Firefox nightly

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Functionality wise, chrome is better than Firefox but it's bad when it comes to privacy and ads

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

What is literally one thing Chrome can do that Firefox cannot? Cause I can tell you right now, after tomorrow, only one can block ads.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I have been on the firefox train since it was new. I witnessed the rise of Chrome and Chromium, and never really felt the pull, and worried about everyone targeting the same platform. Figured I'd stay on FF until I had no choice. Don't see myself leaving.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Figured I’d stay on FF until I had no choice. Don’t see myself leaving.

i'm in a similar boat and given the overwhelming majority popular use of chrome, it feels clear to me that firefox will eventually stop working and i wonder what surfing will like like for me in the future.

i suspect i'll have to go back to use chrome again.

[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

People saying FF is slower: like how much slower, are we taking like 14 millisecond slower? Cause everything seems pretty instantaneous here. Maybe its because i'm old enough to remember DSL and 56k internet, but I think FF os crazy fast and even if Chrome would be 25% faster I wouldn't swith to evil google for that.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It used to be a lot slower, which is why when Chrome showed up with its shiny new V8 engine (and other features) people switched from Firefox en masse. Now the performance difference is no longer noticeable.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you're switching a couple extensions are uBlock origin and no script with Firefox, prevents most ads and lets you choose which hosts to accept JavaScript from temporarily or permanently.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I use ghostery to remove the obnoxious cookie popups here in the EU.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Vivaldi has in its inbuild ad/trackerblocker also filters to block cookie popups, no problem with this

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not the best image to use. Sheep bleating on about Firefox.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

pretty sure thats a goat. rugged, contrary and independent. one might even say... the Greatest Of All Time.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I never really cared that a browser could load a page in 1.5 seconds instead of 1.9.... I mean who cares?

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago

I didn't care until it consistently loaded faster.
That's now my new baseline, and anything slower than 'instant' is annoying.
I would care if that was no longer the case, because I don't like being constantly annoyed.

That said, I don't think the page loading speed is noticeably different between major browsers.
The addons, customisation, privacy and resource usage are where it's at.

I'm just hoping that some competition to chromium stays afloat.

[–] MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, I'm less worried about the speed and moreso I just don't like supporting Google's de facto monopoly of the Web's infrastructure.

[–] ChallengeApathy@infosec.pub 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The thing is, using a Chromium-based browser isn't contributing to their monopoly unless Google holds sway over the fork. Brave, Vivaldi, those two are generally fine and stand against what Google has been up to.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I dunno. Using chromium with a little editing, but 90% og chromium is basically the same monopoly.

[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

De-googled chromium works for me.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago

You can't truly degoogle chromium without a hard fork. Soft forks are still enabling them and their grip on the web, even if they're not specifically spying on you in particular.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure it is. Everyone starts trying to be sure things render correctly on Chromium based browsers and nothing else. Next thing you know people say "Wow Chromium based browsers render pages more reliably than everything else" and then you end up somewhere not too differently from where we were heading. Everything that's not based on Chromium starts getting tossed aside.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

They are contributing to Google's hold over web specs. If Google decides to implement a feature off spec, then website developers will optimise for that implementation because it will be the implementation used by all chromium based browsers. And that leads to worse performance for other browsers with a more correct implementation.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

and ads.

ads are awful.

[–] MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They have ads in Chrome now? Yikes, it's worse than I thought.

Im'ma be honest. I've been using FF for so long that if that's the case I didn't even know.

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Firefox has ads. Very many ads. Out of the box, Firefox sends everything you type into the URL bar to a 'search provider'. They also place traditional ads in the New Tab page, in the URL area chrome, and in your bookmarks. And probably other places I'm forgetting right now.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-your-default-search-settings-firefox

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

i was talking more about how mobile chrome can't adblock, so it has ads just not on the app itself, and desktop chrome will soon not be able to effectively

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

FF is doing great. All the have to do now is the Steam strategy. Do nothing and wait for the competition to fuck themselves over.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 8 months ago

Thats the problem tho, the new mozilla leadership is on the "do anything but nothing" ship. I really hope they either dont do anything too horrible or someone forks it if they do.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You mean hope that they too don't become subject to enshittification? I don't have a lot of faith in that.

Besides that, Google is controlling as fuck. They might keep fucking themselves over but there's no way they won't start attempting to ruin things for the rest of us.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It seems Mozilla is not immune to the AI hype. I just hope their AI endeavour won't kill them when the AI hype finally ends.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thankfully the AI use is very tame so far, used for stuff like offline alt text generation and offline translation. I'm personally still concerned about copyrights and ethics of the models used, but at least it's directed towards providing specific features, not a magic cure-all.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 0 points 8 months ago

I'm more concerned with Mozilla spending its meager resources to chase some fads instead of focusing on improving firefox.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Steam's strategy was to be first to market and essentially the only player in the game for a decade, making themselves the default.

[–] librejoe@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Mfw when plebs are still using GUI browsers while I use Lynx.

[–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

w3m with framebuffer image support, my man.

[–] librejoe@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Pfhh images. Back in my dad we had ASCII art. And we liked it!

[–] HKPiax@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

I love Firefox, but I can’t shake the feeling that it is slower on YouTube. My tinfoil hat theory is that Google somehow throttles YouTube on Firefox.

[–] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

One thing you can test is to apply a Chrome user-agent on Firefox when visiting YouTube. In my personal experience that actually noticeably improves the situation.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 0 points 8 months ago

Google does that a lot with their own web properties. I remember Google Meet didn't support background replacement on Firefox, but switching Firefox's user agent to Chrome suddenly fixed it.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not tinfoil, they have been caught doing it and they continue to do it. It's a scumbag company.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 8 months ago

How the fuck they haven't been slapped with an anticompetitive is beyon - oohh right. End stage capitalism

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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

chrome used to be good. Emphasis on the past tense.

Firefox was always good. Chrome was very briefly better. Firefox has not suffered enshittification like chrome did.

[–] GTG3000@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I clearly remember firefox being terrible back when Chrome was just beginning to take off.

It was a lumbering monolith that ate all your ram and loaded pages at a glacial pace. Chrome was a multi-process revolution from that.

Then, firefox got it's shit together and chrome got overloaded with corpo bullshit.

[–] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It used to take firefox ages to open. I switched back after the big update in the mid 2010s that made it good again.

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