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Mehdi’s Memo on the results of our new poll on Gaza and Iran

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 83 points 6 months ago (84 children)

The biggest thing Biden could do to help him beat trump is stop funding a genocide...

Instead he's talking about protestors like trump was during BLM.

It's like Biden's living some kind of Brewster's Millions and we're all John Candy.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (5 children)

It's not though, unfortunately.

The biggest thing Biden could do is focus on domestic economics. On top of that, please do realize that even specifically for those under 35, it's 60/40 for even sympathizing with Palestine in the conflict. That's all separate from it being the right thing to do, which I also agree with. But the math is not looking good for this being the cornerstone issue for Democrats or even the youth electorate.

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[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

A majority of Republican voters also believe Israel is committing genocide, and that they should genocide harder.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Not "committing", because that would mean it's bad. "Performing" genocide, maybe.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And also they should get started on the second temple and breeding a red heifer

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

Too bad democratic leadership has their head so far up AIPAC's ass they won't do shit.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And yet they'll still turn out to vote for the guys and gals doing the genocide

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

Well do you want 101% Hitler to do two genocides? maybe-later-honey

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[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

So they accept it is genocide and yet

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The only political power you have within ~~America's political system~~ electoralism is a game of chicken wherein you withhold your vote unless change occurs. If you're mad at people saying they won't vote for Biden, I urge you to direct your energy at Biden and the DNC.

There are other avenues to change, but they get your head bashed in by cops, so I'm confident the people tut-tutting about voting will never get involved at that level. Must feel great to ignore the devastating impact of American foreign policy just because it doesn't happen near you!

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The only political power you have within America’s political system

Within electoralism, anyway. It’s not the only power we have, it’s just the only one we’re taught, and the only one in corporate media’s Overton window.

ETA: Thanks to two (now three) red scares, I probably should spell it out for the peanut gallery: Labor power.

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I agree. I definitely meant "electoralism" where I said "America's political system". Thanks for the correction!

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

the fact 38% of the us believes theres no genocide going on is what catches my attention here

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well, yes.

Centrists and progressives both know Netanyahu is committing genocide.

Progressives oppose it.

Centrists don't.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This just in: Democrats BELIEVE FACTS!!!!

SOMETHING SOMETHING THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK!

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

In all honesty, it’s not disbelief of facts. This issue really highlights how perspectives completely depend on the news sources consumed. Media bias has become so extreme, that factual reporting comes second to subjective inference.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Eh. "A Majority of Voters" is not that impressive. According to Gallup's running poll, Democratic Party affiliation is currently at 28%. A slim majority of a minority is... nice? It needs to be reflected strongly among independents and perhaps the opposite party to be reflected in the general population. For comparison, the majority of Republicans think the 2020 election was stolen. This view is not reflected among the general population.

I actually think a more notable statistic in this poll is the Republicans at 23%. That tells me that reactions to what is happening in Gaza has had a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.

Unconditional Support for Israel is absolutely bipartisan. It's one of the few bipartisan issues that all 3 branches of government agree on. The other being unlimited funding for MIC projects.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

He and his party are doing the calculus and figuring that they'll do better supporting Israel because, frankly, where else are those voters going to go? Trump? He'd nuke Gaza if Netanyahu co-signed a loan for him.

Democratic voters need to vote blue no matter who, and then primary out the corporatist candidates at the earliest opportunity.

This has to be a two-pronged effort: keep the Republicans out of office permanently, and clean the Democratic slate from within.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 16 points 6 months ago

This is really the only strategy and we've seen how incredibly effective it has been as the GOP changes into rabid racists.

But better democrats can't employ exactly the same strategy as their far right insurgent counterparts, because we're not racists assholes trying to undermine democracy.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wasn’t it determined that the primaries are not a democratic vote, but a suggestion the DNC will keep in mind when they ultimately dictate who will run? The real people who choose are super delegates who are insiders who vote to maintain the status quo. So claiming the primaries are the correct venue would not be correct.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (24 children)

Bernie won a primary. AOC won a primary. Clearly the DNC isn't all-powerful. We have to get as many progressives in every position that we can.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)

That was what we said in 2020 and here we are. We went backwards from Obama. Either he does the right thing or there have to be consequences.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

where false are those voters going to go? Trump? He'd nuke Gaza if Netanyahu consigned a loan for him.

There are a disturbing number of people who give no shits about this and instead think not voting for Biden will send a productive message.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It is sadly funny when you think about it.

Biden loses

Democrat politicians: "Oh no, we only have all of our wealth to protect us from the worst effects of the US falling into a fascist hellscape. Those voters sure showed us!"

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[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 4 points 6 months ago

“Has been”, “is escalating”

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