You know how cookies are a big deal and how every website keeps asking you to accept their cookies? Now you know why...it's not a conspiracy, it's just how the internet works.
this post was submitted on 03 Apr 2024
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So I may try out Firefox's sandboxing capabilities. That should take care of cookies, but I am not sure about fingerprinting.
Firefox has anti fingerprinting too. It's in settings where you set your tracking protection. I think you have to choose custom and it's there.
I'll look into it, thank you!
It's how the web works, but you can absolutely block third party cookies. Firefox helps A LOT just with its default tracking protection.
No, a Pi-Hole would not work in this case, as suggestions are not "ads", technically.
They probably did that by IP. Keep in mind that Google is an ad-company that makes money by profiling and Amazon wants you to buy their stuff. Of course Amazon gets info from Google to make more money out of you.
There might be a way to block Amazon recommendations, tho. Maybe even something officially supported, some kind of toggle in your profile config.
Also, don't use YouTube directly, use Invidious or Piped, and this particular issue would be gone.
Also, don’t use YouTube directly, use Invidious or Piped, and this particular issue would be gone.
It's the convenience. If you want to run a channel, you're kind of damned to sell your soul. 🙃 The question is for how much you'd sell yourself out completely.
Not sure, if these apps run on a desktop computer, though, which is my main workhorse.
my main workhorse.
I see what you did there.
As much as people like to delve into conspiratorial gossiping, making swooping statements about how Google and Amazon work together, there's often much simpler and more reasonable explanations.
For one, you are one of billions of people browsing both these sites today, it's bound to happen to some of you.
But what prompted you to look up the horses stuff? Sometimes it's an article, a social media post (reddit and Lemmy count), a radio segment, etc. That often leads a group of people to look up the same stuff en-masse.
Its also possible that you've visited other sites about horses that have put you in that cohort, where manufacturers have placed their own tracking pixels whose info they can supply to Amazon for targeting.
The reason why a Google / Amazon collaboration seems so unlikely is that they are competing. Not just at large, but in this specific case. Those recommendations you see on Amazon are ads too. People pay for them, and use specific targeting rules to find people to click on them. This is what both Amazon and Google sell, access to specific eyeballs (eg. males in their late 30's who have once shown interest in motorsports). This is their secret sauce. They'd be crazy to allow that information to flow to a competitor with their own ad platform.
I know this goes against the grain here, so feel free to downvote, but keep in mind that conjecture and wildly inaccurate gossip about what these giant companies do often muddies the waters and makes it much harder to attack them on the shady and downright evil stuff that they do do.
I agree with you here. It is similar to "my phone is listening to what i am talking about and it shows me topic related ads" which has been basically disproven many times over the years.
what prompted you to look up the horses stuff?
Nothing really. I am more interested in dogs, but wanted to know how other animals are trained and possibly learn something new from their techniques.
I could try Firefox's sandboxing, maybe.
Were you horsing around? Hahahaha
The simplest and most reasonable explanation is because they profit from it. They are competing but they know a win-win situation.
All these fucking guys and big tech companies are a big club. They all know eachother and hang out together. Users are a resource to be mined. Who cares if it gives teenagers psychological problems. More drug sales sounds great for their buddies in big pharma.
Amazon has connections with everyone including banks.
Amazon likes to offer a free trial and then after you cancel well before the free trial ends, they continue to charge you month by month.
I had this happen to me a few times. The most recent time I reported my American Express card lost/stolen, that way I would get an entirely different card number/expiration/cvv/ everything. I continued to get charged every month by Amazon.
Turns out banks will continue allowing certain companies like Amazon to continue taking payment even though the original card information you provided was changed and reported lost/stolen. Amazon is so big they can ask for your CC information once and continue to take payment without re-authorization no matter the situation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/amazonprime/comments/16bpca8/comment/k8u5mps/
Do not use Amazon for anything.
I'd look at cookies and fingerprinting first. The former will be easy to take care of, while the latter might be trickier.
This is why you should not use Google or Amazon
De-google everything. I use a VPN and run LibreWolf with some plugins like uBlock, uMatrix, deArrow and SponsorBlock. Still haven't gotten around installing Lineage on my phone to get rid of Google there, but at least I run VPN on my phone at all times aswell.
Now since I use LibreWolf it deletes cookies on every shutdown. This is a bit annoying because I have to log back in every time I visit websites. Therefore I run BitWarden and have also allowed some cookies in website settings.
Its not the best privacy solutions but it's an easy setup for a lot of profit imo.
Still haven't got around installing Lineage on my phone to get rid of Google there
I'm going through that right now, definetely worth it, but it can be quite a job on some devices, have a spare phone ready when you start :)
Yeah I am thinking about waiting until I get a new one for that specific reason.
I run VPN on my phone at all times
Which?
Mullvad VPN :)
Anonymized user info is sold on open markets and can be de-anonymized through fingerprinting and various other techbiques.
You can find some interestinf info on it here, even though the core of the article is on a somewhat unrelated topic.
https://www.wired.com/story/how-pentagon-learned-targeted-ads-to-find-targets-and-vladimir-putin/
Public IP but not sure companies like google and amazon might also have your private IP
You mean RFC1918 private addresses? I guess they keep it at hand but it’s not really interesting to them. Almost all “client side” internet connections are behind a NAT connection, where private addresses are only unique to the router. So while your public address 1.2.3.4 is unique to you, your inside address 192.168.1.1 is only unique inside your LAN. Your neighbour will have the same address inside, but a different one outside, say 4.3.2.1.
Has happened to me multiple times.
your first mistake was to use what I presume was a stock android phone with the official YouTube app. Switch to Lineage/Divest/Graphene and NewPipe
Nope, Desktop computer with Linux, Firefox with uBlock, noScript etc.
ah, browser fingerprinting and IP address correlation then. Use Mullvad Browser or Cromite and a VPN. But now they have already correlated your two accounts so you'd have to make a new YouTube account or amazon account
I can see the devices you use mattering. Where were you watching the videos? Do you have the Amazon app installed on the same device, or on a device with a microphone? My tin-foil hat theory is that the Amazon app is always listening from your phone, based on similar things happening to my wife.
It's not.
- Battery consumption would be obvious
- Network traffic would be obvious
- That's not how app lifecycles work on phones: the only thing always ruining is the OS.
Source: professional app developer who has also worked for big G
cautiously lifts tinfoil hat off head
Don't entirely take it off: ad companies are as malevolent as you think. They're just not wiretapping you constantly.
There are plenty of easier ways to spy.
Something on stock Android phones is always listening though. I had a similar experience as OP where I had an IRL conversation once with my son about a product I don't normally talk about. My phone was unused & "asleep" nearby. An hour later at work I was inundated with ads for said product all over the internet in my Chrome browser on my work computer. It was way too heavy handed to be a coincidence. The phone had listened to our conversation.
(That day marked the first on my journey to de-Google and take serious steps preserve my privacy online)
It's great that you're focused in on privacy but that's not what's happening.
You can examine every byte of traffic off your phone. There isn't an open audio stream: it'd be too obvious. On phone analysis is too computationally intensive to be inobtrusive.
You're experiencing some combination of frequency illusion and priming when you experience these "phone listening in".
It is far more likely that you had seen the product advertised before but not consciously considered it (priming) followed by a discussion which made you more aware of it so you noticed the ads more (frequency bias).
The fact is companies don't even need to record your conversations to know how to get you to buy what they want you to buy.
I hear what you're saying and it makes sense. But I do not believe that my particular case was one of priming/manipulation/freq bias. The topic of conversation was too uncharacteristic, too random, and there were too many similar ads within moments. It was either a colossal coincidence or a breach in privacy.
I suppose it doesn't matter. My phone is much more locked down now.
Do you have the Amazon app installed on the same device
Linux pc. There is no Amazon nor YouTube app for that, that I know of.