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[–] aleph@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's much easier for an East Asian person to become integrated into a Western society than the other way around.

You can live in Japan/China/Korea for decades, be married and have children with a local, and speak the language fluently and people will still call you a foreigner to your face.

Agreed, I work with dozens of western Chinese, japanese and koreans every day.

[–] FUBAR@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can be born in a western country as an East Asian and still also be called a foreigner and asked where are you really from

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Yes, you can.

But it's not as prevalent.

[–] dodgypast@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My son is 50/50 Thai / English.

We live in Thailand and he is accepted as 100% Thai.

I admit that I'll never be accepted as Thai but that comes with benefits as well as drawbacks.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's generally easier on the kids in Thailand, I think, because mixed race couples are more widely accepted there than in Japan/China/Korea.

I did a few years teaching ESL in Seoul and out of hundred kids, there were just two siblings that were mixed race - Korean mom and American Dad.

Even though these two kids looked basically Korean (except their hair was dark brown instead of black) and spoke fluent Korean, I was shocked that some of the other kids in the class referred to them as 외국인 (foreigners), the exact same word they used to refer to me as white man.

[–] dodgypast@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much why I was prepared to settle here.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is the kind of shit Japan said about its Great East Asia Co Prosperity Sphere when it basically subjugated a lot of its neighbors prior to WWII... I hope history won't repeat itself in such a way.

[–] a1tb1t@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

I came here to mention Japan's "Asia for Asians" campaign in the early 1900s. Glad to see I'm not the only history nerd commenting on this post!

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[–] zeusbottom@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like they’ll ever become Chinese.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kiiiiinda hard for South Korea to hear that with a straight face, considering China sided with NK pretty significantly in the Korean War and considers NK an ally (or at least definitely within their sphere of influence) to this day.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Americans in charge will cope and seethe, but they'll understand.

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[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Very unconstructive to pose the world as westerners and not westerners.

Talk of joining "westerners" and everyone instead and not this polarization

Russia should be proof enough that humanity doesn't need rogue states

[–] modkhi@vlemmy.net 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, East Asia will ally with Beijing when Beijing actually decides to see the rest of East Asia as equals and not just former tributary nations. (Believe me, I'm Chinese, this is unfortunately all too common a superiority complex that Chinese people have.)

It's not that they want to be Westerners, it's that they don't want to be bullied by the regional superpower, and the other world superpower supports them in resisting Beijing.

[–] ydieb@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

My duality is much more to are you an reasonable person which can be openly self-critical but also are aware of authority bias, or do you join primitive and absurd dualities as this?

Standard kindergarten polarizarion from the Chinese leadership, nothing new I guess.

[–] reddwarf@vlemmy.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So China is accepting Japan into their midst and getting all buddy-buddy?
How very Nanking of them...
China will never ever consider Japan as an equal or viable partner. Breaking the bond between West and Japan? Sure, they are all about that but being buddies and accepted into China? Never ever happening.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Petulant child picking up fights with every neighbor, claiming he owns everyone's toys and breakfast, behaving like the natural state of the world is to revolve around himself, sports a surprised Pikachu face when said neighbors decide to go to the movie together.

[–] HomerAtTheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Starting to smell fear from China. Maybe they are starting to realize they aren’t as great as they thought

[–] CrackaJack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

If China is Democratic and less invasive, then yes.

Edit: I don't know what CCP sympathisers are trying to prove by trolling. They have to prove themselves to Japan, South Korea, South East Asia not to some random Internet person 😂

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[–] robbiedisco@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago
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