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In a strange shift, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was quoted as saying that Israel’s war on Gaza is identical to Moscow’s military operation against Ukraine.

The comments, attributed to Russia’s top diplomat, were cited by Russia Today in an interview on Thursday with RIA Novosti.

“The goals declared by Israel for its ongoing operation against Hamas militants in Gaza seem nearly identical to those put forward by Moscow in its campaign against the Ukrainian government,” RT quoted Lavrov as saying.

According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, 21,320 Palestinians have been killed, and 55,603 wounded in Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza starting on October 7.

Palestinian and international estimates say that the majority of those killed and wounded are women and children.

Many international law experts have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide in the besieged Gaza Strip.

read more: https://www.palestinechronicle.com/objectives-of-israels-and-russias-war-nearly-identical-did-lavrov-shift-position-on-gaza/

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[–] DianaHasWings@kbin.social 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

If there’s one thing the Ukraine War should have taught everyone, it’s that you can never expect ideological consistency from Russia’s government or Russian propaganda. Russia’s foreign policy is purely transactional.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Unlike every other countries foreign policy.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some push an actual ideology, but yeah, nationalistic self-interest is pretty common around the world.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Literally what other standard could a nation possibly use to engage in foreign relations? The difference between nations with the same ideology is their relative position in the global and regional power structures. The difference between nations with different ideologies is their understanding of what constitutes their national self-interest.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow, so cynical. You're sounding a bit like the other end of the political spectrum there.

Ideally, actual concern for things like universal human rights would be considered. You could argue nobody really does that, but I'd argue it shows up a bit. The Soviet Union supported the crap out of any number of nations that were never going to pay them back (not least their own republics), and America actually tried building democracy in Afghanistan and basically lost the war because of it. It would have been pretty easy for them to just arm another brutal junta, or take the Chinese approach to central Asia and gradually eliminate or replace the local population entirely.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You sound delusional. The US lost the war because they tried to build democracy in Afghanistan? Listen to yourself. Honestly? There's no possibility of having a conversation about national self interest and how human rights factor in if you believe shit like the USA was genuinely motivated to build a real democracy in Afghanistan.

Get started deprogramming yourself. Listen to Blowback. Read their sources.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't really like podcasts; I find it hard to catch everything they're saying, or alternatively to listen through the parts where they're not saying much. You're better off citing Das Kapital like the other "anti-imperialists". It's barely readable but at least I can pull a quote without playing scribe.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Blowback is a highly produced audio miniseries. It's a fundamentally different experience than an improvised free wheeling podcast. Listen to it before you make excuses for your miseducation.

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org -3 points 9 months ago

It's not even transactional, it's embarrassing. Like the people leading the place

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Same objectives, speedrunning warcrimes and every form of genocide.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isreal killed more civilians in a month than Russia did in the whole war.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yeah because Ukraine has a real army. And air defenses, those are also important. Russia isn't not evil, they're failing at being evil.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I feel this really downplays the American-backed atrocities happening in Palestine.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Of course it does; that's the reason westerners call everything their enemies do "genocide". To downplay their own atrocities.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Then the fact that you're indistinguishable from the most credulous westerner is even worse.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My bad, I forgot that, to Westerners, the word genocide just means "warcrimes when someone I don't like does them", so that they can always say they're better than their enemies: "sure we do eat crimes, but they do genocide!"

Russia hasn't done anything in Ukraine that the West didn't do in Iraq, but nobody calls that genocide.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think children have been stolen yet, but maybe you have sources about it?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You're right, in Iraq 800,000 children were merely orphaned, rarely were they abducted to America.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Even when they don't do a thing it's because they wanted to. Brainwashed.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

Yes, attacking an enemy nation with an army is very different from attacking a concentration camp.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

What are the forms of genocide?

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Two weeks now and the numbers of reported Palestinians death in these news articles is 21000.. along with injuries and lack of water, shelter, food, and many diseases.

[–] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If what he is saying is that Russia wants the land known as Ukraine and Israel wants the land known as Gaza; I agree, Russia and Israel have similar goals.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago

And the USA is the innocent littler flower who never did nuffin in either place.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

About as expected, sadly Russia and China likes doing both sides on Palestine. Infinitely better than what Brandon and the west are doing but still, L.

Like, Hamas leadership (and PLO in the 90s) has visited Russia on multiple occasions, so clearly the relations are alright. I do think part of Lavrov's rhetoric mentioned in this article is just diplomatic nonsense.

I so miss the USSR

[–] tree@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I wouldn't count out the pressure of dual citizens and interest groups too, it's not like the US is the only place that has an Israel lobby, Russian is spoken by around 1/5 people in Israel, although some of that 20% would also account for Russian speakers originally from other parts of the USSR, that is still a very substantial connection.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Looks like Palestinian liberation forces are armed with Chinese weapons. Remember that Chinese foreign policy is realpolitik, and doesn't necessarily represent their ideological line.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

About what, genocide? You might be onto something there, Sergey.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, no. Because only one of them is a genocide.